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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17346 on: February 08, 2022, 10:25:14 AM »
The moment the novel Coronavirus escaped its lab-- whether intentional or not-- it was inevitably going to become a pandemic.  It's just too contagious.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17347 on: February 08, 2022, 10:28:45 AM »
We need to talk about the vaccines - UnHerd
Great piece, thanks for posting.

It solidly outlines the dangers of censorship, and the consequences of stifling scientific debate.

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« Reply #17348 on: February 08, 2022, 10:46:30 AM »
I really despise US politicians and greedy US based multi-national conglomerates for creating the China problem. 
The Chinese have been victims of their own government as we have here by rich special interests and their political lackeys.The Military-industrial complex has a lot of exlaining peddling fear to ensure contracts on materials that have been grossly over inflated.IKE even gave us a heads up on their slimey ways.Little Georgy Bush and his side bitch Cheney and their ilk are just as much as an affront as the demented slappies from the far left unfortunately
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« Reply #17349 on: February 08, 2022, 10:49:47 AM »
Great piece, thanks for posting.

It solidly outlines the dangers of censorship, and the consequences of stifling scientific debate.
Yes.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17350 on: February 08, 2022, 11:08:10 AM »
Yes.
If I posted this piece to the Coronavirus thread on surlyhorns, I'd be shouted down and labeled anti-science and anti-vax.

Which is precisely the point.

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« Reply #17351 on: February 08, 2022, 11:21:15 AM »
If I posted this piece to the Coronavirus thread on surlyhorns, I'd be shouted down and labeled anti-science and anti-vax.

Which is precisely the point.
Same if I were to post it on Buckyville. We all have our fools.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17352 on: February 08, 2022, 12:32:28 PM »
any thread named  surlyhorns should be a HUGE red flag

stay away
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« Reply #17353 on: February 08, 2022, 12:57:41 PM »
any thread named  surlyhorns should be a HUGE red flag

stay away

Surlyhorns is awesome for BBQ talk.  Hit or miss for most anything else and, like all homer boards, completely unreadable for anything sports related.

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« Reply #17354 on: February 08, 2022, 01:11:40 PM »
never been there but was tempted to visit just to troll Burnt eyes back in the day
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17355 on: February 08, 2022, 01:39:14 PM »
Great piece, thanks for posting.

It solidly outlines the dangers of censorship, and the consequences of stifling scientific debate.
I found it interesting, a rare one that appears to present both sides.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17356 on: February 09, 2022, 12:42:27 AM »
I think something as contagious as COVID was going to get out, sooner or later, area under the curve.

I remember how hard Italy got hit early on.  I think a lot of US infections came from Europe, after getting there from Asia.
It would have been a difficult thing to shut down. It might have been contained very early, but physicians have to recognize early that it is a new virus, and that's hard to do when you have a new virus. Recall the young Chinese doctor who was punished for reporting a new virus, and then died of the virus.

Initially, the Chinese hid the outbreak, which was immoral, but then when they saw what they were dealing with shut down Wuhan and isolated it, but it was too late for the rest of the world. It does appear their tactics largely succeeded in controlling spread. But, I also recall a CNN reporter was able to leave Wuhan just before Wuhan was shut down and isolated. He left because he knew the isolation was about to be imposed.

It is hard to say how successful China was in shutting it down because it is a totalitarian regime with control of the media. However, it appears the Chinese did better than most at stopping the spread. If the spread there were worse than here, it would be hard to hide, because it has been really bad here, and there are so many more people in China.

Western Olympic athletes isolated in COVID hotels in Beijing complain about the conditions in which they are isolated, a  hotel room with bad food, and adverse effects upon their mental health. Beijing will have a spike in COVID cases after the Olympics, and the news will leak out. It takes a few weeks to spread exponentially.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17357 on: February 09, 2022, 08:44:32 AM »
There are Covid restrictions?


Fauci told the paper that there is no way to eradicate the virus, but it is his hope that "we are looking at a time when we have enough people vaccinated and enough people with protection from previous infection that the Covid restrictions will soon be a thing of the past."


Fauci says ‘full blown’ COVID-19 pandemic is almost over in US | Fox News
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17358 on: February 09, 2022, 08:57:45 AM »
It would have been a difficult thing to shut down. It might have been contained very early, but physicians have to recognize early that it is a new virus, and that's hard to do when you have a new virus. Recall the young Chinese doctor who was punished for reporting a new virus, and then died of the virus.

Initially, the Chinese hid the outbreak, which was immoral, but then when they saw what they were dealing with shut down Wuhan and isolated it, but it was too late for the rest of the world. It does appear their tactics largely succeeded in controlling spread. But, I also recall a CNN reporter was able to leave Wuhan just before Wuhan was shut down and isolated. He left because he knew the isolation was about to be imposed.

It is hard to say how successful China was in shutting it down because it is a totalitarian regime with control of the media. However, it appears the Chinese did better than most at stopping the spread. If the spread there were worse than here, it would be hard to hide, because it has been really bad here, and there are so many more people in China.

Western Olympic athletes isolated in COVID hotels in Beijing complain about the conditions in which they are isolated, a  hotel room with bad food, and adverse effects upon their mental health. Beijing will have a spike in COVID cases after the Olympics, and the news will leak out. It takes a few weeks to spread exponentially.


What makes you believe the highlighted above?  What evidence is there that "the Chinese did better than most?" 

I can tell you that there's evidence they did NOT.  People I used to work with in China on a daily basis disappeared  though the course of 2020.  Sometimes they were replaced, sometimes their counterparts took over for them, sometimes their duties just went unfulfilled.  Nobody was allowed to say how or why, or when they might be back.  Many never came back.

Chinese vendors have decommitted on dozens of millions of units over the past two years, in my small sliver of the business alone.  Over half of worldwide demand, they have been unable to fulfill.

The supply chain disruptions we're seeing around the globe over two years later, are not merely a result of some dock workers in Los Angeles not showing up to work.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17359 on: February 09, 2022, 09:49:38 AM »
We also had many reports of millions of urns stacked up around crematoriums, and reports of constant burning. 

Those reports came from within China, from people who are no longer breathing.
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