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Often, a measure may work somewhat, or slightly, or even not at all but seem plausible at the time.  Lockdowns have to have had some impact on the rate of spread, they may not have altered area under the curve.  The most stringent lockdowns in China appear to have been effective, short term.

And I believe masks have some small benefit for obvious reasons.

It's impossible to say this because China never reported any legitimate data.  

It's pretty obvious that a "real lockdown" is going to interrupt respiratory disease transmission rates shorter term.  It's a matter of tradeoffs, and the West wouldn't be able to implement a real lockdown.

It's impossible to say this because China never reported any legitimate data. 

yup. and they also disappeared any doctors/whistleblowers who tried to get word out early - not to mention the database with all the information on the bat coronaviruses the Wuhan lab were experimenting on that China deleted/purged from their internet. China hasn't been forthright about anything related to COVID. there was without question an attempt at a cover-up and suppression of information. 

shit was created in a lab through gain of function research, it accidentally leaked out - and CCP tried covering it up. I'd say that leaked grant proposal to DARPA submitted in 2018 by EcoHealth Alliance - that DARPA rejected as too risky - is pretty much the smoking gun. Shit was a blueprint to literally build COVID-19. EcoHealth Alliance was already funding several other research projects at the Wuhan lab in China. Just because DARPA told them to f**k off doesn't mean they didn't or weren't already trying this in China the Wuhan lab with other sources of funding.

yup. and they also disappeared any doctors/whistleblowers who tried to get word out early - not to mention the database with all the information on the bat coronaviruses the Wuhan lab were experimenting on that China deleted/purged from their internet. China hasn't been forthright about anything related to COVID. there was without question an attempt at a cover-up and suppression of information.

shit was created in a lab through gain of function research, it accidentally leaked out - and CCP tried covering it up. I'd say that leaked grant proposal to DARPA submitted in 2018 by EcoHealth Alliance - that DARPA rejected as too risky - is pretty much the smoking gun. Shit was a blueprint to literally build COVID-19. EcoHealth Alliance was already funding several other research projects at the Wuhan lab in China. Just because DARPA told them to f**k off doesn't mean they didn't or weren't already trying this in China the Wuhan lab with other sources of funding.

I'm not ready to believe it was an accident, but it could have been.

And, if so, they found out early and closed travel within the country. They allowed travel out of the country, unleashing their mistake on the World. Remember, their economy was on the edge when this happened. This helped them level the playing field.

I'm not ready to believe it was an accident, but it could have been.

And, if so, they found out early and closed travel within the country. They allowed travel out of the country, unleashing their mistake on the World. Remember, their economy was on the edge when this happened. This helped them level the playing field.

this is also true, and there was a study done that suggested that had China not sat on their hands and feet for 3 weeks and had they warned the world immediately and shut down travel within their country - they could've stopped the initial spread by 95% and COVID would not have become a pandemic.

I really despise US politicians and greedy US based multi-national conglomerates for creating the China problem. China was a poor, back water shithole that wouldn't have ever become a threat to the US had it not been for our own stupid leaders and greedy corporations. WE created this f**king monster. Time to take it out if you ask me. I am always anti-war, but they are without question the biggest threat to the US by 100,000,000 miles and it's not close. Longer the US waits to just take them out - the harder it's going to be.

I think something as contagious as COVID was going to get out, sooner or later, area under the curve.

I remember how hard Italy got hit early on.  I think a lot of US infections came from Europe, after getting there from Asia.