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OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #16856 on:** January 06, 2022, 10:49:43 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 05, 2022, 05:26:11 AM

New variant in France. 46 mutations.

WTF... This thing was designed brilliantly.

Thanks, God.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #16857 on:** January 06, 2022, 10:53:19 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on January 06, 2022, 01:13:23 PM

we just need to all vaccinate and gut it through the next 3 to 4 weeks and we'll see the light at the end of the tunnel

longhorn320 · « **Reply #16858 on:** January 07, 2022, 12:48:26 AM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 06, 2022, 10:53:19 PM

not sure why you think covid is funny

if you think Im wrong dont make a joke out of it

just be a man and tell me your view

Youre real good at making fun of other posters but not at putting your views on the table

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #16859 on:** January 07, 2022, 01:02:54 AM »

It's funny that you're still in a hurry to get past this thing. It's not going away in a hurry. People are dumb. It's a fact.

utee94 · « **Reply #16860 on:** January 07, 2022, 08:08:50 AM »

People are dumb but that doesn't have anything to do with the reasons an endemic disease will continue to spread around the globe forever.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #16861 on:** January 07, 2022, 08:55:37 AM »

Omicron will spike within a couple of weeks and start declining and when it does delta will have vanished

at that point hospitalizations will return to normal and we will put this thing behind us

not sure why folks who follow this thing cant see this but it will happen

as Ive said all along the only thing that would stop this from happening is a new variant popping up that is as bad or worse then delta which so far has not happened

utee94 · « **Reply #16862 on:** January 07, 2022, 09:52:50 AM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on January 07, 2022, 08:55:37 AM

Omicron will spike within a couple of weeks and start declining and when it does delta will have vanished

at that point hospitalizations will return to normal and we will put this thing behind us

not sure why folks who follow this thing cant see this but it will happen

as Ive said all along the only thing that would stop this from happening is a new variant popping up that is as bad or worse then delta which so far has not happened

It doesn't appear to have happened so far, but I'm not sure why you believe it will never happen.

I certainly believe that eventually, as the endemic pathogen continues to mutate around the globe, we'll see another bad variant arise. I'm not advocating we lockdown or put our lives on hold ever again because of it, but I do think we've only just begun this long journey, and it will take years and perhaps decades before it recedes to the low level annoyance that the common cold is.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #16863 on:** January 07, 2022, 10:13:26 AM »

Quote from: utee94 on January 07, 2022, 09:52:50 AM

It doesn't appear to have happened so far, but I'm not sure why you believe it will never happen.

I certainly believe that eventually, as the endemic pathogen continues to mutate around the globe, we'll see another bad variant arise. I'm not advocating we lockdown or put our lives on hold ever again because of it, but I do think we've only just begun this long journey, and it will take years and perhaps decades before it recedes to the low level annoyance that the common cold is.

we can only deal with whats in front of us

sure another variant could happen but until it does we will be through the current problem in a matter of weeks

I have no problem with the notion that something worse will happen some day as long as we dont hide in fear over it

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #16864 on:** January 07, 2022, 10:14:43 AM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on January 06, 2022, 11:14:00 AM

gee where have I heard this before

Ive been saying this for over a week

cases way up and deaths way down

Omicron now accounts for over 90% of new cases

Deaths down from Delta, sure...

But if this thing has similar mortality rates to the seasonal flu, AND has an R0 in the range of 10, there's still gonna be a lot of people dying. Because a lot more people are going to get it than get the flu each year.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #16865 on:** January 07, 2022, 10:15:27 AM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 07, 2022, 01:02:54 AM

It's funny that you're still in a hurry to get past this thing. It's not going away in a hurry. People are dumb. It's a fact.

People being dumb doesn't necessitate you being a dick.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #16866 on:** January 07, 2022, 10:25:46 AM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on January 07, 2022, 10:14:43 AM

Deaths down from Delta, sure...

But if this thing has similar mortality rates to the seasonal flu, AND has an R0 in the range of 10, there's still gonna be a lot of people dying. Because a lot more people are going to get it than get the flu each year.

so far that hasnt been the case in South Africa and the UK

I hope the US will show similar results

Again we dont agree on this so we'll just have to wait and see

and incidentally aprox 50,000 people die from the flu each year while delta killed over 800,000 in two years
so this doesn't look like a bad trade at all

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #16867 on:** January 07, 2022, 10:58:58 AM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on January 07, 2022, 10:25:46 AM

so far that hasnt been the case in South Africa and the UK

I hope the US will show similar results

Again we dont agree on this so we'll just have to wait and see

and incidentally aprox 50,000 people die from the flu each year while delta killed over 800,000 in two years
so this doesn't look like a bad trade at all

South Africa has already shown a marked upturn in the 7-day MA of deaths. Not as large as their delta spike, but significant, as in 3-4x the baseline death rate before the Omicron spike. And it's occurring exactly when expected, ~3 weeks after the big spike in cases.

The UK really started to feel the Omicron spike maybe around Dec 16-17, about 3 weeks ago exactly. They were on a slow decline in the 7-day MA of deaths, down to about the low 110-115 range (bottomed out for a few days below 100 right after Christmas, but that could be reporting delays due to holidays). As of yesterday the 7-day MA has climbed to 157, a number they haven't seen since November. And cases were climbing significantly above those numbers around Dec 16-17, so the expectation would be the deaths would climb higher too.

IMHO the case fatality rates are going to look significantly better than Delta. That doesn't mean the numbers will look great overall, because the case numbers are absolutely huge. US, UK, and worldwide are setting new daily case records seemingly every day over the last few.

utee94 · « **Reply #16868 on:** January 07, 2022, 11:01:17 AM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on January 07, 2022, 10:58:58 AM

South Africa has already shown a marked upturn in the 7-day MA of deaths. Not as large as their delta spike, but significant, as in 3-4x the baseline death rate before the Omicron spike. And it's occurring exactly when expected, ~3 weeks after the big spike in cases.

The UK really started to feel the Omicron spike maybe around Dec 16-17, about 3 weeks ago exactly. They were on a slow decline in the 7-day MA of deaths, down to about the low 110-115 range (bottomed out for a few days below 100 right after Christmas, but that could be reporting delays due to holidays). As of yesterday the 7-day MA has climbed to 157, a number they haven't seen since November. And cases were climbing significantly above those numbers around Dec 16-17, so the expectation would be the deaths would climb higher too.

IMHO the case fatality rates are going to look significantly better than Delta. That doesn't mean the numbers will look great overall, because the case numbers are absolutely huge. US, UK, and worldwide are setting new daily case records seemingly every day over the last few.

Right. Half the death rate but with twice the cases, is still the same absolute number of deaths.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #16869 on:** January 07, 2022, 11:07:58 AM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 06, 2022, 10:49:43 PM

Thanks, God.

God isn’t real, and he had nothing to do with this.

This thing was 99.99% created in a lab through gain of function research and escaped, and the Chinese went into coverup mode immediately and as the emails that were released via FOIA law suites showed - the US citizens with ties to that lab- namely Peter Daszak- and the people at the NIH who fund his grants- Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins immediately went into damage control, crisis management, lie lie lie, suppress fact mode and sway public opinion mode.

We know for a fact the NIH funded grants to EcoHealth Alliance and we know for a fact that EcoHealth Alliance was using money from those grants to fund gain of function research in the Wuhan virology lab. These are just matter of fact- and fact that Fauci and the NIH have not been honest about until they got caught with their pants down and had to admit it.

I was never the biggest Obama fan, but one thing about the guy- he was super intelligent and very sharp. He knew this gain of function crap was too risky and something like this could happen so he had his administration shut down all funding of grants to gain of function research effective immediately and put a ban on it indefinitely.

It wasn’t until late 2017 in the Trump administration when Fauci was able to go around that administrations back and reboot and kick start NIH gain of function research all over again. Josh Rogin of the Washington Post wrote a book on this. Fascinating stuff, I suggest you read it.

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