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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16842 on: January 04, 2022, 10:55:49 PM »
we have to get out of the habit of stressing case numbers
folks who dont go to a hospital are over it in 5 days

hospitalization and death count is whats important
folks here have been saying this for well over a year

maybe the message is finally getting out
you know, following the science!!!
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16843 on: January 04, 2022, 11:24:53 PM »
I hope deaths don't jump. 

Here in OC, hospitalizations and ICU has been increasing markedly. 

We're still too early in the Omicron wave for deaths to hit. But the local numbers on hospitalizations and ICU aren't encouraging.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16844 on: January 05, 2022, 05:26:11 AM »
New variant in France. 46 mutations. 

WTF... This thing was designed brilliantly.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16845 on: January 05, 2022, 08:28:44 AM »
Fuck the Chinese Communist Party.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16846 on: January 06, 2022, 11:07:40 AM »
Case numbers still skyrocketing. The US and the world have set new daily case records each of the past two days. 

US and world numbers don't show any uptick in deaths, but due to the 3-week lag, it's too early to see that sort of thing.

South Africa is the interesting one to watch, for a few reasons:


  • Both cases and deaths followed pretty strong "spike" patterns, i.e. between waves both their cases and their deaths went down to a pretty low baseline.
  • Their Omicron spike started basically Dec 1, so we have over a month for deaths to show up, and the peak of their spike was right around Dec 15-17, so right now should be basically 3 weeks out from their peak.
  • Their daily case rates were basically the same between their Delta spike and Omicron spike, so we can do much more of an apples-to-apples comparison on death rates between the two waves. 

What we see from the data is that Omicron has shown a marked increase from their baseline death rates. Baseline prior to the Omicron spike they were showing maybe 20-25 deaths per day on the 7-day MA. This has now risen to 89, with the last two days being both >100, so it's a 3-4fold increase over baseline.

However, the daily death rates during Delta were in the 350-400 range for the 7-day MA, so unless something really powerful shows up in the South African data, there could very well be a 3-4x reduction in mortality between Omicron and Delta, and that brings Omicron down to the seasonal flu range...

Obviously, there are caveats. South Africa is a much poorer country than the US, and we know they have much lower vaccination coverage. However being much poorer may significantly affect recorded case rates, where they may only be testing symptomatic people while the US tests people like crazy. They also have a lower obesity rate, so they could have confounding variables that reduce the mortality rate relative to what they see, despite the fact that the US has a much more capable health/hospital system.  


But so far it's looking like Omicron, while still a virus that is dangerous and can still result in deaths, is significantly more benign than previous strains. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16847 on: January 06, 2022, 11:14:00 AM »
Case numbers still skyrocketing. The US and the world have set new daily case records each of the past two days.

US and world numbers don't show any uptick in deaths, but due to the 3-week lag, it's too early to see that sort of thing.

South Africa is the interesting one to watch, for a few reasons:


  • Both cases and deaths followed pretty strong "spike" patterns, i.e. between waves both their cases and their deaths went down to a pretty low baseline.
  • Their Omicron spike started basically Dec 1, so we have over a month for deaths to show up, and the peak of their spike was right around Dec 15-17, so right now should be basically 3 weeks out from their peak.
  • Their daily case rates were basically the same between their Delta spike and Omicron spike, so we can do much more of an apples-to-apples comparison on death rates between the two waves.

What we see from the data is that Omicron has shown a marked increase from their baseline death rates. Baseline prior to the Omicron spike they were showing maybe 20-25 deaths per day on the 7-day MA. This has now risen to 89, with the last two days being both >100, so it's a 3-4fold increase over baseline.

However, the daily death rates during Delta were in the 350-400 range for the 7-day MA, so unless something really powerful shows up in the South African data, there could very well be a 3-4x reduction in mortality between Omicron and Delta, and that brings Omicron down to the seasonal flu range...

Obviously, there are caveats. South Africa is a much poorer country than the US, and we know they have much lower vaccination coverage. However being much poorer may significantly affect recorded case rates, where they may only be testing symptomatic people while the US tests people like crazy. They also have a lower obesity rate, so they could have confounding variables that reduce the mortality rate relative to what they see, despite the fact that the US has a much more capable health/hospital system. 


But so far it's looking like Omicron, while still a virus that is dangerous and can still result in deaths, is significantly more benign than previous strains.
gee where have I heard this before

Ive been saying this for over a week

cases way up and deaths way down

Omicron now accounts for over 90% of new cases









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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16848 on: January 06, 2022, 12:52:45 PM »
Even Fauci is saying that while we can't totally let our guard down, it's time to stop measuring cases, and start looking at hospitalizations/deaths.

The biggest problem right now is the strain on workforce.  My wife is a teacher, and district wide 40 teachers are out with it.  So they have guidance councilors, assistant principals, and whoever has their certifications trying to fill in.  Only 2 in her building are hospitalized, but none are asymptomatic.  The coffee shop I stop at after dropping off our youngest at daycare is closed today because all 3 of their baristas have it

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16849 on: January 06, 2022, 01:13:23 PM »
Even Fauci is saying that while we can't totally let our guard down, it's time to stop measuring cases, and start looking at hospitalizations/deaths.

The biggest problem right now is the strain on workforce.  My wife is a teacher, and district wide 40 teachers are out with it.  So they have guidance councilors, assistant principals, and whoever has their certifications trying to fill in.  Only 2 in her building are hospitalized, but none are asymptomatic.  The coffee shop I stop at after dropping off our youngest at daycare is closed today because all 3 of their baristas have it
I dont disagree with the burden omicron places on the workforce but fortunately the recover time is less then a week for most cases

we just need to all vaccinate and gut it through the next 3 to 4 weeks and we'll see the light at the end of the tunnel
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16850 on: January 06, 2022, 04:25:02 PM »
My counties numbers....strong spike. 

https://www.brazoriacountytx.gov/

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16851 on: January 06, 2022, 04:35:10 PM »
omicron's cases spike is much higher then delta everywhere

but death count resulting from omicron will be much lower

I probably know 20 plus people who have gotten omicron and not one went to the hospital 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16852 on: January 06, 2022, 05:01:08 PM »
Yeah I now know quite a few folks who've gotten COVID and still don't know a single person who's gone to the hospital.  


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16853 on: January 06, 2022, 05:02:38 PM »
I haven't met a single person who claims to have "died" of COVID. 

Fake news!

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16854 on: January 06, 2022, 05:15:27 PM »
Yeah I now know quite a few folks who've gotten COVID and still don't know a single person who's gone to the hospital. 
And I haven't known of or heard of anybody dying from covid in quite a while.  The last time I can remember was late summer, I think I was up to 18 people, the last being a person from work who I didn't really know but exchanged emails with and they were from my same hometown (3K ppl).  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16855 on: January 06, 2022, 05:18:24 PM »
I haven't met a single person who claims to have "died" of COVID.

Fake news!

yep and at least 50% of putts that dont reach the hole dont go in
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