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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16744 on: December 23, 2021, 10:47:49 AM »
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Nationally, about 77 percent of inpatient beds were occupied as of Dec. 22, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. About one out of every 10 beds are occupied by a COVID-19 patient.
and before COVID became a thing......... what percentage of beds were occupied in December?  76%?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16745 on: December 23, 2021, 10:53:01 AM »
Probably. Because Covid WAS a thing in December 2019. We just didn't know it.

Probably got here in September 2019.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16746 on: December 23, 2021, 11:00:44 AM »
I agree BF Cindy's very best friend was horribly ill by late September '19 and her husband cancelled a Birthday Bash.Was hospitalized for 3 weeks and said she never felt that bad in her life.Both her husband and her lost revenue during the lockdown and ended up with 125,000.00 in Medical Bills.They got the debt forgiven somehow as they were paying house/vehicle and other expenses out of pocket for like a year.Shit they had good incomes too and I'm still paying down bills pre-covid,gotta love the system
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16747 on: December 23, 2021, 11:11:21 AM »
Probably. Because Covid WAS a thing in December 2019. We just didn't know it.

Probably got here in September 2019.
Yes- As I have said here before I believe I had it in September 2019.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16748 on: December 23, 2021, 11:23:21 AM »
Interesting thoughts on boosters from the WHO

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/12/22/who-says-covid-vaccine-booster-programs-will-prolong-pandemic.html
I don't like the way the editor wrote the headline, because it really has little to do with the boosters. The "problem" isn't boosters. The problem is that poor countries aren't able to source vaccine. The problems are related because rich countries are focusing on boosters which sucks up some of the supply that could be going to poor countries, but the way the headline is written it's made to sound like boosters are bad. 

This is true.

There's sort of an irony that not long ago, there was a good bit of ... I'll call it punitive attitude when it came to the topic of the obese and overweight and this particular illness. It was overstated to a large degree, but there was a sense of discounting, for lack of a better word. There was a downplaying because those people have it. This is a shoe on the other foot thing, but thankfully, we can, on average, be better than that.
You know what is the source of all the problems in the world?

Other people. 

Because it couldn't possibly be us. It's always other people. We've always been at war with the obese the unvaccinated East-Asia. Now let's all gather for our Two Minutes Hate. 

In-group and out-group. It's human nature. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16749 on: December 23, 2021, 11:28:06 AM »
Once again, I'm not saying to outright deny them coverage. But if there are finite resources, and we are denying treatment to others, who have taken the advice of the doctors, then I'm going to give them treatment, over people who ignored the advice of their doctors, the same doctors they now want to treat them
If you're arguing from a resource allocation perspective, then the subsequent comments in this thread tell the story-- COVID is not using so many resources that we should deny treatment to anyone based on vaccination status.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16750 on: December 23, 2021, 11:51:58 AM »
If you're arguing from a resource allocation perspective, then the subsequent comments in this thread tell the story-- COVID is not using so many resources that we should deny treatment to anyone based on vaccination status.
It varies greatly from place to place.  Clearly it is in upstate NY.  And it is in Pennsylvania as well.  In Florida, it is not.  If it's not an issue locally, then it's not an issue, and I'm not speaking to that area

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16751 on: December 23, 2021, 11:55:30 AM »
Being from a state where the governor is implementing various shutdown policies I would have thought you would take this much more seriously then you are

why dont you see the seriousness of his actions

you can pick on my choice of words all you want but when your freedom is being taken away I would have thought you would have a much more concerned reaction

and since you are saying my concerns are BS I dont see any need for further discussion

good luck and keep wearing that mask
Hi friend.

Upthread, you (I believe) called for a vigorous use of a BS detector, spoke highly of your own. But if having a BS detector directed your way leads to such a sharp response, I'm wondering if such a tool should perhaps be used with more delicacy by all.

As for the rest, I do not live there at the moment (the state is too popular, and I am too frugal). I have friends and family there, I've yet to speak to one who is angry about all of that, but that may speak to their life stations. 

I don't agree with all his policies. But I don't agree with many government policies, and understand I live in a society where that happens. (Not living there, I'm also not deeply versed in the specifics of the policies that have you offended)

The talk of freedom is interesting. We live in a society where this curtailing is held as the last straw, and in other arenas, the drastic limiting of rights and freedom is cheers and begged for, often by the same people. I speak of that on a personal level. I have more complex feeling about schools and the trickle down with businesses. 

And the masks, I've said before, is what it is for me. An annoyance and not much else. Again, that's me. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16752 on: December 23, 2021, 04:40:29 PM »
It varies greatly from place to place.  Clearly it is in upstate NY.  And it is in Pennsylvania as well.  In Florida, it is not.  If it's not an issue locally, then it's not an issue, and I'm not speaking to that area
Then I'd expect you to argue against allowing smokers, obese, and motorcycle riders into the ER in those areas as well.  All are classes of people that "should know better" and cause inordinately high usage of emergency facilities.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16753 on: December 23, 2021, 04:57:02 PM »
I just hope we dont over react with omicron taking over

cases will go way up

but the omicron hospitalizations and death count will go way down

much of the problem the Northern states are having is from remaining delta cases which should decrease in the next few weeks
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16754 on: December 23, 2021, 07:15:42 PM »
Then I'd expect you to argue against allowing smokers, obese, and motorcycle riders into the ER in those areas as well.  All are classes of people that "should know better" and cause inordinately high usage of emergency facilities.
If we had a pandemic of motorcycle crashes filling up the ICUs, and 88% of the ones hospitalized weren't wearing helmets, then yeah, they would only get a bed if one wasn't needed

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16755 on: December 23, 2021, 07:17:06 PM »
hey, don't be discriminating against helmetless motor cycle riders 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16756 on: December 23, 2021, 07:17:24 PM »
Helmet Laws SUCK!!!
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16757 on: December 23, 2021, 07:18:37 PM »
I just hope we dont over react with omicron taking over

cases will go way up

but the omicron hospitalizations and death count will go way down

much of the problem the Northern states are having is from remaining delta cases which should decrease in the next few weeks
Seems like we aren't. Not even a whisper of shutdowns here.

 

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