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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16296 on: November 18, 2021, 09:53:15 AM »
And yet there are strong social justice movements promoting obese people as "another kind of healthy body" and many that take it even further, into fit-shaming people that are actually making efforts through diet and exercise, to stay healthy.

We're not allowed to call obese people "fat" anymore, it's insensitive and it might hurt their feelings. I can face the truth, there are times in my life when I've been up to 215 lbs.  At 5'10", my ideal weight is about 160. I've been outright fat.

I'm not even where I need to be currently, but I face reality and know when I'm heading off the path.  I straighten out the nutrition plan, get back to exercise, and move toward my health goals.

Far too many people have NOBODY telling them that their current diet and lack of exercise are the reasons they're unhealthy.
I get all that, I'm just saying the idea that we don't take it seriously, when it literally is plastered all over everything, is maybe the wrong word. We declared a "war" on drugs and put in who knows how much money and resources into getting rid of drugs, and now drugs are very plentiful and overdoses go higher and higher. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16297 on: November 18, 2021, 10:01:40 AM »
If you're talking about the general chatter about how being fat can be healthy, I think you're wrong.  Dead wrong.  Literally.

It's very much a part of the PC culture that has firmly taken root in our country, to make excuses and allowances for obese people.

To your earlier point about what can be done about it?  I don't know.  Maybe the US Surgeon General can ask Big Bird to tweet about it.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16298 on: November 18, 2021, 10:04:30 AM »
dirty little secret- these vaccines aren't going to do much against Delta- and they are proving to be less and less effective vs delta over time. They were designed to provide protection against the alpha strain. Delta has a mutated spike protein which beats the vaccines which were designed to fight alpha. we really need to stop calling these "breakthrough" cases and just calling them what they are- infections.
Uhh, the vaccines do protect pretty well against Delta infections early on when antibody levels are high, but as the antibody levels wane the protection against infection drops off. 

They also do very well at reducing the rate of hospitalizations and deaths in these breakthrough infections, even well after the antibody levels have dropped, because the body know has the blueprint for ramping up antibody production. 

Delta is MUCH more transmissible than previous strains in unvaccinated and vaccinated people alike, but that doesn't mean the vaccines "aren't going to do much". They're keeping a lot of people alive.  

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« Reply #16299 on: November 18, 2021, 10:07:03 AM »
that may be true- but it gets amplified by all the idiots in online and tv media who love to stir up shit so they write stories displaying tweets by random idiots or throw them up on their shitty tv shows- to try to get the people watching/reading thinking this is what large amount of people on the twitter-net actually feel/think.

I cannot tell you how much I hate when I'm reading an article or watching a tv news program and they put up tweets from random assholes on the internet. It's like....who really gives a shit what any of these people say- and why are you parroting/promoting what a bunch of random retards on the internet say?

Agree with this for sure.  It's become the de facto "man on the street interview."

But the problem is that twitter isn't even as representative of the public, as a literal man on the street would be.  The only people tweeting, are the ones that are too stupid to understand they're supposed to keep their mouths shut and let the world WONDER if they're stupid, instead of opening it and proving their stupidity beyond the shadow of a doubt.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16300 on: November 18, 2021, 10:07:09 AM »
"We" may take it seriously, but "we" don't take it effectively.  There is a stronger social stigma in France against being fat, and it works, though I see a lot of young females smoking to maintain weight there.  We have lists of Calories in food items that few bother to read or consider.  That didn't work, I found food labeling to be useful.  I was surprised how much salt was in many things like canned tomatoes.  I've read some scary items about fructose, which is half of table sugar (and about half of HFC as well) and try and limit my sugar intake pretty hard.  Alcohol is my weak spot, I like wine too much.

I say the five major food groups are salt, sugar, fat, caffeine, and alcohol.  Just about any prepared food item in the US has a lot of 3 of those in it.

Salt sugar and fat are cheap ways to make cardboard taste good.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16301 on: November 18, 2021, 10:15:48 AM »
"We" may take it seriously, but "we" don't take it effectively.  There is a stronger social stigma in France against being fat, and it works, though I see a lot of young females smoking to maintain weight there.  We have lists of Calories in food items that few bother to read or consider.  That didn't work, I found food labeling to be useful.  I was surprised how much salt was in many things like canned tomatoes.  I've read some scary items about fructose, which is half of table sugar (and about half of HFC as well) and try and limit my sugar intake pretty hard.  Alcohol is my weak spot, I like wine too much.

I say the five major food groups are salt, sugar, fat, caffeine, and alcohol.  Just about any prepared food item in the US has a lot of 3 of those in it.

Salt sugar and fat are cheap ways to make cardboard taste good.

Yeah this is the problem.  A lot of people talk a game about taking it seriously but really don't.  People join gyms for a few weeks and then quit. People go on fad diets and then quit those too.

I know exactly what's in fast food and processed food, and I know the dangers of them.  When I choose to eat them, I do it knowingly.  I'm educated about it.

A lot of people probably aren't.  And I'm not sure how to fix that, because a lot of people don't really WANT to be.  Excessive salt sugar and fat taste good.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16302 on: November 18, 2021, 10:19:34 AM »
But really, my original point was about obesity and how it relates to COVID19.

What can be done RIGHT NOW?

Right now the CDC, surgeon general, and whatever other authorities exist, could make definitive statements about the risks of complications to COVID19 when obesity is involved.

And I'm not talking about listing it as one risk factor among a dozen, on some buried government website that nobody ever looks at.

There are currently scores of television, internet, and radio campaigns targeted at encouraging people to get vaccinated.  Apply the same effort to encouraging people to stop being so fat.  Call it out as every bit as scary and risky as licking every surface of the COVID ward at the hospital.  Do whatever it takes to make people understand that while being fat is dangerous, when COVID19 is involved, being fat is deadly. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16303 on: November 18, 2021, 10:27:20 AM »
You might get a few converts, temporarily, but it's very difficult to really lose weight accumulated over decades.  Folks give up, or try the latest fad diet, and give up.

I see no viable means to cut obesity levels in the US by any appreciable amount, or even any amount, I think it's headed the wrong way.

I routinely see fat people parking in the HDCP spot around Kroger and then getting out and finding a scooter to use through Kroger.  They walk maybe 20 feet and that's it.

We all see this.  Then there is fast food, nearly all of which is awful and sodas replete with HFC/sugar.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16304 on: November 18, 2021, 10:36:15 AM »
You might get a few converts, temporarily, but it's very difficult to really lose weight accumulated over decades.  Folks give up, or try the latest fad diet, and give up.

I see no viable means to cut obesity levels in the US by any appreciable amount, or even any amount, I think it's headed the wrong way.

I routinely see fat people parking in the HDCP spot around Kroger and then getting out and finding a scooter to use through Kroger.  They walk maybe 20 feet and that's it.

We all see this.  Then there is fast food, nearly all of which is awful and sodas replete with HFC/sugar.

It's difficult for sure, and maybe impossible.  But as you pointed out upthread, in places like France, it's not as socially acceptable.  There's societal pressure against obesity.

Such pressure is not only being curtailed here, it's being actively undermined.  Obesity is being called another form of healthy body-- it's being actively promoted as such in the MSM.  People that strive for physical fitness are actually being denigrated for their actions.  Even saying the word "fat" is unacceptable.  We are sad, scared little victims of our own softness.  My grandfather's generation would laugh at our fat asses so badly.

In fact, he did.  A couple years out of college, when I'd let myself go a little bit physically, he was the first one to just up and call me pudgy and tell me I needed to mix in some salads. And he was right.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16305 on: November 18, 2021, 10:37:58 AM »
America is a free market society. Pay people to stay thin.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16306 on: November 18, 2021, 10:42:37 AM »
America is a free market society. Pay people to stay thin.
Sure.  There might be some creative way to do this.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16307 on: November 18, 2021, 10:52:06 AM »
well, if those miracle pills or powder that you just eat or drink before you go to bed really worked

folks would spend plenty of money

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16308 on: November 18, 2021, 12:55:53 PM »
Mrs. GR and I got boosted on Tuesday. Slightly sore arms that day. Wife was a little queasy yesterday morning, and I had the hangover hit mid-afternoon. Both of us slept soundly and are back at full speed today. Take that, 'rona!

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16309 on: November 18, 2021, 01:46:40 PM »
"We" may take it seriously, but "we" don't take it effectively.  There is a stronger social stigma in France against being fat, and it works, though I see a lot of young females smoking to maintain weight there.  We have lists of Calories in food items that few bother to read or consider.  That didn't work, I found food labeling to be useful.  I was surprised how much salt was in many things like canned tomatoes.  I've read some scary items about fructose, which is half of table sugar (and about half of HFC as well) and try and limit my sugar intake pretty hard.  Alcohol is my weak spot, I like wine too much.

I say the five major food groups are salt, sugar, fat, caffeine, and alcohol.  Just about any prepared food item in the US has a lot of 3 of those in it.

Salt sugar and fat are cheap ways to make cardboard taste good.
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