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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16268 on: November 18, 2021, 07:43:17 AM »
I spent a bit of time looking at clinicals and trials on ivermectin and hydrochloroquine and concluded neither is efficacious.  It's pretty easy to find one example somewhere, perhaps an in vitro test, that says it works, but it's easier to find a hundred saying it doesn't.  Then folks claim "Well, you have to add zinc to it."  or whatever.  And I don't think a casual observer untrained in analysis of such things should bother trying.  They usually will find what they want to believe instead of a closer approximation of reality.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16269 on: November 18, 2021, 07:55:36 AM »
Germany is still spiking in cases, worse than they've ever had it before.  Area under the curve?  Hopefully it's two months, or less, and out.  The spike started early October.  I don't  get it, at all, some blame folks from the "east" coming in.

Poland had a lot of vax resistance.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16270 on: November 18, 2021, 08:17:59 AM »
Germany is still spiking in cases, worse than they've ever had it before.  Area under the curve?  Hopefully it's two months, or less, and out.  The spike started early October.  I don't  get it, at all, some blame folks from the "east" coming in.

Poland had a lot of vax resistance.
Lots of states ramping up here in the USA as well.  Mostly in the north and northeast, but Texas also looks like it's trending up slightly again.

This will continue for years, I suspect.  It will continue as long as we are focusing on counting cases and  testing for a specific virus that is now endemic, at a rate unheard of in human history.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16271 on: November 18, 2021, 08:35:43 AM »
I'm surprised with many vaccinated and many more with some resistance due to having had it earlier than it can still spread this fast.  Our resistance levels appear to be dropping off faster than we had hoped a few months back.

in the US we must be nearing 90% of adults with some resistance, which would make it tough to spread, if said resistance was fairly good.  My guess is while 90% have SOME resistance, for most it's fading.  And yes, it's now endemic and I don't see a whole lot to do about that.


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« Reply #16272 on: November 18, 2021, 09:01:57 AM »
I'm surprised with many vaccinated and many more with some resistance due to having had it earlier than it can still spread this fast.  Our resistance levels appear to be dropping off faster than we had hoped a few months back.

in the US we must be nearing 90% of adults with some resistance, which would make it tough to spread, if said resistance was fairly good.  My guess is while 90% have SOME resistance, for most it's fading.  And yes, it's now endemic and I don't see a whole lot to do about that.
dirty little secret- these vaccines aren't going to do much against Delta- and they are proving to be less and less effective vs delta over time. They were designed to provide protection against the alpha strain. Delta has a mutated spike protein which beats the vaccines which were designed to fight alpha. we really need to stop calling these "breakthrough" cases and just calling them what they are- infections.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16273 on: November 18, 2021, 09:02:44 AM »
If we actually tested as thoroughly every year, for flu and all of the coronaviruses that cause the common cold, I suspect we'd see similar case numbers. 

The difference with COVID19 of course, is that it sends higher numbers of people to the hospital/ICU/death.  

The vaccines have proven to be effective at minimizing the most severe of symptoms, and everyone that wants the vaccine has gotten it.

That's really the most we can do at this point.

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« Reply #16274 on: November 18, 2021, 09:05:02 AM »
This will continue for years, I suspect.  It will continue as long as we are focusing on counting cases and  testing for a specific virus that is now endemic, at a rate unheard of in human history.
I'd say it's because odds are probably 99%+ this was a supercharged virus that humans manipulated to spread quicker, faster, stronger- through gain of function research- which likely escaped from the lab on accident. Chinese government immediately went into coverup mode- deleted entire databases immediately- and they still haven't been anywhere close to honest about anything.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16275 on: November 18, 2021, 09:06:33 AM »
I'm still curious about the seasonality, or lack thereof, of outbreaks.  I understand that being indoors more can promote spread, but the peaks occur almost randomly.

India had a bad outbreak and then two months later it was gone, with low vax rates.  Now Germany is spiking when they didn't spike last year this time.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16276 on: November 18, 2021, 09:08:06 AM »
I'd say it's because odds are probably 99%+ this was a supercharged virus that humans manipulated to spread quicker, faster, stronger- through gain of function research- which likely escaped from the lab on accident. Chinese government immediately went into coverup mode- deleted entire databases immediately- and they still haven't been anywhere close to honest about anything.
That's all possible, of course.  I don't know how likely, but it's possible.  There must be SOME explanation for why this is so incredibly transmissible.  Natural evolution could be one explanation, or manipulation could be another.

But I was speaking of the testing rate, not the spread of the virus.  We're testing at unprecedented levels in all of human history.  So of course we're finding a lot of infection, in people that aren't actually sick.  If we did the same thing for flu or the common cold, we'd also find a lot of infection in people that aren't sick.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16277 on: November 18, 2021, 09:12:27 AM »
The U.S. government will pay drugmaker Pfizer $5.29 billion for 10 million treatment courses of its potential COVID-19 treatment if regulators authorize it.

Pfizer asked the Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday to authorize emergency use of the experimental pill, which has been shown to significantly cut the rate of hospitalizations and deaths among people with coronavirus infections.

The FDA is already reviewing a competing pill from Merck and will hold a public meeting on it later this month.

The price for Pfizer’s potential treatment amounts to about $529 per course. The U.S. has already agreed to pay roughly $700 per course of Merck’s drug for about 1.7 million treatments.

Pfizer said Thursday the price being paid by the U.S. government reflects the high number of treatment courses purchased through 2022.

The drugmaker said it also has started rolling submissions for approval in several other countries and there are advanced purchase agreements with other governments as well.

On Tuesday, Pfizer signed a deal a with U.N.-backed group to allow generic drugmakers to produce low-cost versions of the pill for certain countries. Merck has a similar deal for its pill, which was authorized in Britain earlier this month.

Pfizer reported earlier this month that its pill cut hospitalizations and deaths by 89% among high-risk adults who had early symptoms of COVID-19.

The company studied its pill in people who were unvaccinated and faced the worst risks from the virus due to age or health problems, such as obesity.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16278 on: November 18, 2021, 09:12:45 AM »
just take the pill

follow the science
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16279 on: November 18, 2021, 09:15:19 AM »
awe what good, noble, nice guys Pfizer and Merck are. Only charging US gov't $529 a pill and $700 a pill respectively. Sweet hearts just coming up with drugs to help people out of the good of their hearts! 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16280 on: November 18, 2021, 09:18:11 AM »
I've noted before that Pfizer stock has not really moved much, I have owned it for a while now.  It's up a bit.  Moderna stock, which I did not own, has really jumped.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16281 on: November 18, 2021, 09:20:03 AM »
just take the pill

follow the science
Yup, and here begins the slippery slope.

 

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