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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Honestbuckeye

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15260 on: August 26, 2021, 09:58:08 AM »
Let me just add that the post citing the US Department of Heath is not correct in its counting of Florida ICU data as a whole.

Some counties are very bad - but not overrun. The article mentioned that 93 percent of ICU beds in Florida are full. That is also not true, and what should be obvious is that not ALL of the ICU patients are Covid. We have an old population here.

Kinda sick of the hit pieces on Florida policy that are just masks for attacking the Governor here.

For the past month, "news" outlets have been bashing the Governor for promoting antibody treatments.

But now, it's a great treatment.

Why?

DeSantis and Fauci, Who Sparred Throughout Pandemic, Agree on Monoclonal Antibody Treatment (msn.com)

To UTEE’s point, along with yours here/ we shouldn’t have to read those politically charged narratives in this thread.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15261 on: August 26, 2021, 09:59:48 AM »
Amen bro.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15262 on: August 26, 2021, 10:20:44 AM »
I've read several places that natural immunity is better than being vaccinated.

So... those who are vaccinated and still contract Covid will be in a good spot. They most likely will not become severely ill or need to go to the ICU, while gaining even better immunity.


This is what Germany acknowledges with their “Covid Passport” system by including a “Recovered” category alongside what your attendance to Oregon or LSU homes games will require this season – Proof of Vaccination or a Negative Test.

“Under Germany’s new Covid health pass system, entry into many indoor spaces is being restricted to those who are vaccinated (geimpft), recovered from Covid (genesen) or to those who have tested negatively (getestet). In German it’s known as the 3G system so if you see this sign, be prepared to show proof of one of the ‘Gs’.”


https://twitter.com/TheLocalGermany/status/1430526145443762176

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15263 on: August 26, 2021, 10:43:49 AM »
reasonably, sure

but, hospitalization/ICU/death was always the target of flattening the curve and much more important

a huge or small number of asymptomatic cases is important why?

so folks can use the inflated number to shape policy?


hospitalization/ICU/death = what we should all be trying to avoid
From the middle of 2020 until the vaccine was widely available, if you wanted to know what was going to happen to hospitalizations/ICU/death, you just looked at the cases trend and that's what the other curves were going to look like a few weeks out. 

That's why case numbers were important. Not as important as hospitalization/ICU/death, but because it gave us a preview of what was coming.

That's no longer true, so case numbers aren't very important now. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15264 on: August 26, 2021, 10:47:05 AM »
Last week, Gov. Walz announced a policy in which all state employees must be vaccinated against COVID. This is a good idea, but this is something that probably should have been negotiated in the next labor contracts. 

However, I don't think there will be more than half-assed pushback from us, though. Our membership was surveyed on their situation and opinion, and the results:

-75% have already been vaccinated and plan to present proof thereof
-9% tested routinely
-Only 9% won't comply and will deal with the consequences.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15265 on: August 26, 2021, 10:52:15 AM »
I've read several places that natural immunity is better than being vaccinated.

So... those who are vaccinated and still contract Covid will be in a good spot. They most likely will not become severely ill or need to go to the ICU, while gaining even better immunity.
I don't disagree with the second statement, but I was just reading something that says the opposite of the first, which I highlighted above. Check out this series of tweets which do a pretty good job of boiling down the salient points of this paper.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.23.457229v1.full.pdf


https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status/1430661421839302674

« Last Edit: August 26, 2021, 01:04:40 PM by utee94 »

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15266 on: August 26, 2021, 10:56:48 AM »
Key quote from above series of tweets, regarding the paper's findings, is:


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9/ People who were vaccinated had more memory B-cells recognizing variants than did people who recovered from mild COVD and were not vaccinated.

THIS IS A REASON TO GET VACCINATED EVEN IF YOU'VE HAD COVID!

VACCINES WILL PROTECT YOU BETTER vs VARIANTS.


10/ Why might vaccination work better than natural infection?

Perhaps because the Spike protein in the COVID mRNA vaccines is stabilized? A better target for immune system?

And because it's not stabilized in the live virus?

« Last Edit: August 26, 2021, 01:05:42 PM by utee94 »

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15267 on: August 26, 2021, 01:38:37 PM »
So, is criticism of Florida's policies considered political, but praise for them is not?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15268 on: August 26, 2021, 01:45:27 PM »
So, is criticism of Florida's policies considered political, but praise for them is not?
I dont think talking about a states policies is political

as long as the subject remain virus related and not who the governor is

we can agree or disagree about policies at length on this thread as long as its not tied to a party affiliation
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15269 on: August 26, 2021, 01:48:06 PM »
I dont think talking about a states policies is political

as long as the subject remain virus related and not who the governor is

we can agree or disagree about policies at length on this thread as long as its not tied to a party affiliation
I follow your logic, 320, but I'm not sure that you are correct.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15270 on: August 26, 2021, 01:49:37 PM »
So, is criticism of Florida's policies considered political, but praise for them is not?
Not in a straight line that.

Hit pieces, citing bad information, that include misinformation, deceptions and lies?

Yes - from both sides.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15271 on: August 26, 2021, 01:50:38 PM »
So, is criticism of Florida's policies considered political, but praise for them is not?
People here are very touchy about Florida. :57:

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15272 on: August 26, 2021, 01:51:38 PM »
I all seriousness, Badge, I think that "bad information" is only verboten on one side of the discussion.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15273 on: August 26, 2021, 01:55:09 PM »
I all seriousness, Badge, I think that "bad information" is only verboten on one side of the discussion.
again if theres no party affiliation or mention of names then feel free to post bad info if thats your belief

if others feel the info is faulty they will speak up and tell you why they feel that way

its called a non political discussion
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