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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15246 on: August 26, 2021, 12:36:38 AM »
number of positive cases really means little

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true, and has always been true
Has not always been true. Pre vaccine, cases were a reliable proxy for deaths with roughly a 3 week lag.

That changed post vaccine. 

Thus it has not always been true.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15247 on: August 26, 2021, 03:59:03 AM »
thats my point

the number of daily deaths is way lower then the last two surges

not saying any death is good but only the media plays up the case count but does not mention that ICU usage and the deaths have decreased a lot
The 2nd paragraph specifies FL deaths are more now that they were last summer. 

 More people are dying now than were dying a year ago there DESPITE the initial wave clearing out much of the most susceptible. 

Edited buy utee94 to remove unnecessary and off-topic political talk
« Last Edit: August 26, 2021, 08:15:03 AM by utee94 »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15248 on: August 26, 2021, 04:00:22 AM »
I have to admit, I now realize the reason I glaze over things in my posts is probably directly related to the fact that even when I spell things out, it's lost on the blind.
So why bother?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15249 on: August 26, 2021, 06:37:39 AM »
I have to admit, I now realize the reason I glaze over things in my posts is probably directly related to the fact that even when I spell things out, it's lost on the blind.
So why bother?
Just because a person doesn’t see what you see it does not mean they are blind. Maybe what you see isn’t real.

you are posting political comments in this thread and so I’ve asked you respectfully to connect the dots. What does the policy in Florida have to do, either directly or indirectly with the Delta spike in Florida?  What facts or data could you present to support your argument that it is specific policy in Florida which is clearly what you’ve been trying to say?

Edited by utee94 to focus question on policy. I get it that you were responding to OAM, but this is a simple edit you could have made yourself, and this is the way we can focus the discussion on relevant topics that are in-bounds for this thread. 
« Last Edit: August 26, 2021, 08:19:53 AM by utee94 »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15250 on: August 26, 2021, 07:27:08 AM »
Bent freaks in alternate Universes seldom do
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15251 on: August 26, 2021, 08:12:59 AM »
Talking about case rates and death rates in various states, is within scope.

Ascribing political blame is not.

This is really simple stuff.  Get it, or get out.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15252 on: August 26, 2021, 08:18:49 AM »
Trends in Europe continuing.  Florida had a one day spike up, so hard to read, Georgia the same.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15253 on: August 26, 2021, 08:22:49 AM »
OAM-- I deleted your post.  You can try again without politics.  Feel free to discuss policy.

For the masses-- Policy discussion is fine and can be very productive IMO.  But discussing assumptions or assertions about political philosophy behind any policy, is not for this thread.  In Other News is the place for that, if you must.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2021, 08:29:03 AM by utee94 »

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15254 on: August 26, 2021, 08:52:05 AM »
Has not always been true. Pre vaccine, cases were a reliable proxy for deaths with roughly a 3 week lag.

That changed post vaccine.

Thus it has not always been true.
reliable proxy?

perhaps when it comes to long term care facilities

I'm not convinced

hospitalizations and deaths were always much more important in my opinion

if you want to grow the number of cases, simply grow testing
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15255 on: August 26, 2021, 09:00:46 AM »
I think there was a period of time when cases were pretty strongly correlated as a leading indicator for hospitalization/ICU/death.

Early on in 2020, that wasn't true, because there just wasn't enough testing going on.  

And since the vaccine became prevalent, they have also been somewhat decoupled.

But through the middle-to-end of 2020, they seemed reasonably linked enough to use cases as a proxy for impending hospitalization/ICU/death.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15256 on: August 26, 2021, 09:08:55 AM »
reasonably, sure

but, hospitalization/ICU/death was always the target of flattening the curve and much more important

a huge or small number of asymptomatic cases is important why?

so folks can use the inflated number to shape policy?


hospitalization/ICU/death = what we should all be trying to avoid
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15257 on: August 26, 2021, 09:11:56 AM »
Number of cases is a leading indicator, I agree it's not a clear one, but it's a something.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15258 on: August 26, 2021, 09:30:31 AM »
Let me just add that the post citing the US Department of Heath is not correct in its counting of Florida ICU data as a whole.

Some counties are very bad - but not overrun. The article mentioned that 93 percent of ICU beds in Florida are full. That is also not true, and what should be obvious is that not ALL of the ICU patients are Covid. We have an old population here.

Kinda sick of the hit pieces on Florida policy that are just masks for attacking the Governor here.

For the past month, "news" outlets have been bashing the Governor for promoting antibody treatments.

But now, it's a great treatment.

Why?

DeSantis and Fauci, Who Sparred Throughout Pandemic, Agree on Monoclonal Antibody Treatment (msn.com)
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15259 on: August 26, 2021, 09:48:50 AM »
When it comes to COVID-19 transmission, is Nebraska the safest place in the nation?

All week, maps from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have made it look as though much of Nebraska is largely free of COVID-19 problems.

As of Friday’s map, 60 of the state’s 93 counties were colored blue, indicating low transmission levels. In fact, Nebraska accounts for the majority of such counties nationwide, with only 39 other blue counties in the rest of the nation.


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“The color blue on the map may not be an accurate representation of transmission rates,” said Olga Dack, a spokeswoman for the Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services.

Instead, Nebraska counties are showing up in the low transmission category for a combination of reasons, including the state’s decision to retire its COVID-19 dashboard.

Dack said the CDC had relied on Nebraska’s dashboard. This week, she said, the state discovered that the federal agency had responded to the state’s dashboard change by using an alternate measure — percentage of positive COVID-19 tests — to assign transmission categories to Nebraska counties. Thus, county-level Nebraska data currently showing on the CDC website reflect the positivity rate, not the per capita case counts reported for most other states. The CDC also stopped factoring in very small numbers, Dack said.


Nebraska continues to report county-level COVID case data separately to the CDC, she said, but the CDC hasn’t been using it for some technical reasons.

The result: Nebraska looks like an island of blue in the center of a map dominated by red, high-transmission counties.


The CDC had not responded Friday to several requests for information.

Meanwhile, Nebraska health care providers and a group of lawmakers are asking Gov. Pete Ricketts to reinstate the dashboard, saying the data is crucial for schools, businesses and hospitals making operational decisions during the pandemic.
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