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betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #14882 on:** August 12, 2021, 05:39:22 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 12, 2021, 12:10:06 PM

There are a lot of people that would disagree with this and if you just look at the folks who post here many have already said they disagree with this. They are of the mindset that I got vaccinated so therefore I do not need to wear a mask.

You're mischaracterizing the argument.

I absolutely believe that the primary advantage of masks is to slow the spread, and primarily it's not to keep the wearer from being infected (although I think it provides *some* protection) but that it keeps the wearer from infecting others.

I wore a mask just fine when the vaccine wasn't widespread. That wasn't because I wasn't vaccinated--it was because vulnerable people weren't vaccinated and I didn't want to inadvertently kill one of them.

Now, the vaccine is widespread, and the vulnerable have more than adequate access to it. So now, my wearing a mask means I'm protecting the stubborn and the stupid. And I just don't feel willing to do that.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #14883 on:** August 12, 2021, 05:40:06 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on August 12, 2021, 04:33:08 PM

How about "inadvertently putting an older adult on a ventilator"?

how about that older adult getting vaccinated

what a novel idea

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #14884 on:** August 12, 2021, 05:41:07 PM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on August 12, 2021, 05:33:50 PM

Hell, my son is severely autistic. There is no "explaining" masking to him.

He wears his mask because that's what we expect. For all his sensory issues that he's had over the years, he puts the mask on. I'm sure he doesn't like it--hell, I didn't like it. But I don't see how it's harming him.

And it's the argument that pisses me off.

We can't force everyone to get the vaccine.
We can say that unvaccinated people need to wear masks, and vaccinated people do. But this just means that nobody will wear masks, because the unvaccinated people aren't going to volunteer the information that they're unvaccinated.
So we decide that we want to force everyone to wear masks, BECAUSE the unvaccinated won't wear masks or get vaccinated. Thus punishing the vaccinated for the failure of the unvaccinated to comply with either.

The problem is the unvaccinated. Because they're unwilling to say "I'll wear a mask instead of getting vaccinated", they're saying "F the masks, F the vaccine, F the gov't."

Your kind of changing your opinion here.
obviously you have a vaccine that you believe is extremely effective and you have the data to back it up. You should not be required to wear a mask nor should you be worried if anyone else is. ( this has been your position so far)

The more you are worried about others wearing a mask the more it illustrates your lack of faith in the vaccine, which just perpetuates the people who don’t want to vaccinate.

utee94 · « **Reply #14885 on:** August 12, 2021, 05:42:42 PM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on August 12, 2021, 05:39:22 PM

You're mischaracterizing the argument.

I absolutely believe that the primary advantage of masks is to slow the spread, and primarily it's not to keep the wearer from being infected (although I think it provides *some* protection) but that it keeps the wearer from infecting others.

I wore a mask just fine when the vaccine wasn't widespread. That wasn't because I wasn't vaccinated--it was because vulnerable people weren't vaccinated and I didn't want to inadvertently kill one of them.

Now, the vaccine is widespread, and the vulnerable have more than adequate access to it. So now, my wearing a mask means I'm protecting the stubborn and the stupid. And I just don't feel willing to do that.

Yes, my sentiments exactly.

Speaking of masking, my kids got back from their mask-optional middle school today, and reported about 50% were wearing masks. That's actually more than I expected, but I'll be surprised if it sticks. Without anyone insisting on it, I suspect fewer each day, will bother to put on the mask.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #14886 on:** August 12, 2021, 05:43:08 PM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on August 12, 2021, 05:39:22 PM

You're mischaracterizing the argument.

I absolutely believe that the primary advantage of masks is to slow the spread, and primarily it's not to keep the wearer from being infected (although I think it provides *some* protection) but that it keeps the wearer from infecting others.

I wore a mask just fine when the vaccine wasn't widespread. That wasn't because I wasn't vaccinated--it was because vulnerable people weren't vaccinated and I didn't want to inadvertently kill one of them.

Now, the vaccine is widespread, and the vulnerable have more than adequate access to it. So now, my wearing a mask means I'm protecting the stubborn and the stupid. And I just don't feel willing to do that.

You just stated my position! That’s my point.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #14887 on:** August 12, 2021, 05:47:13 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 12, 2021, 05:34:37 PM

So- some people can drive 50 mph on a certain road- but others can go 70?

To any given individual- a mask mandate IS an all or nothing thing. If you have to- you have to.

if you agree with that, I get it. For schools- I don’t. But it’s not something I would die on a hill for.

Well, we already have that regarding speed limits. On most highways, the speed limit for cars is different than the speed limit for trucks with trailers. We discriminate.

However my point was more that regarding an "all or nothing" thing, a 25 mph speed limit in a residential area doesn't mean that you have to have a 25 mph speed limit on a highway.

In California, certain indoor activities--such as health care--require masks. That doesn't mean masks are required at the supermarket. It doesn't mean masks are required outdoors. Hence, not "all or nothing".

A vaccinated 15 year old doesn't have to wear a mask at the supermarket. They have to wear a mask at school or at their doctor.

What I'm saying is that policy can be tailored to the situation. I may not think a mask mandate in schools is necessary, but given a pandemic, I don't think it's an abrogation of individual rights.

utee94 · « **Reply #14888 on:** August 12, 2021, 05:48:53 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 12, 2021, 05:43:08 PM

You just stated my position! That’s my point.

Well shoot, I'm glad that's resolved!

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #14889 on:** August 12, 2021, 05:55:11 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on August 12, 2021, 05:40:06 PM

how about that older adult getting vaccinated

what a novel idea

Exactly. They've had access for months now. They shouldn't be relying on other people to mask to protect them.

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 12, 2021, 05:41:07 PM

Your kind of changing your opinion here.
obviously you have a vaccine that you believe is extremely effective and you have the data to back it up. You should not be required to wear a mask nor should you be worried if anyone else is. ( this has been your position so far)

The more you are worried about others wearing a mask the more it illustrates your lack of faith in the vaccine, which just perpetuates the people who don’t want to vaccinate.

Not changing my opinion. I'm not worried about others wearing masks. I'm attacking your argument, not your opinion ;-)

Your argument was that wearing a mask (or having your kids wear a mask) is purely an individual decision. I'm saying it's not, just like how fast you're going to drive through a school zone is not purely an individual decision. It is acceptable for the government to set speed limits, and in the middle of a worldwide pandemic, it's acceptable for the government to have a mask mandate.

RIGHT NOW, I don't think the science justifies it. But that doesn't mean that I approve of a Governor taking away that decision from a local school board.

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 12, 2021, 05:43:08 PM

You just stated my position! That’s my point.

This is why I'm a difficult person... I can agree with your endpoint without agreeing with your route to get there ;-)

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #14890 on:** August 12, 2021, 06:23:52 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on August 12, 2021, 05:48:53 PM

Well shoot, I'm glad that's resolved!

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Touche. Bastage.

utee94 · « **Reply #14891 on:** August 12, 2021, 08:25:45 PM »

https://www.wbrz.com/news/report-new-orleans-plans-to-require-vaccine-or-negative-covid-test-to-enter-restaurants-venues/

New Orleans will require vaccine or negative COVID test to enter restaurants, venues

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #14892 on:** August 12, 2021, 08:46:17 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on August 12, 2021, 08:25:45 PM

https://www.wbrz.com/news/report-new-orleans-plans-to-require-vaccine-or-negative-covid-test-to-enter-restaurants-venues/

New Orleans will require vaccine or negative COVID test to enter restaurants, venues

I still wonder if/ when this will include CFB games?

longhorn320 · « **Reply #14893 on:** August 12, 2021, 10:38:33 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 12, 2021, 08:46:17 PM

I still wonder if/ when this will include CFB games?

Because they are outside it may not happen for CFB

FearlessF · « **Reply #14894 on:** August 12, 2021, 11:18:18 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on August 12, 2021, 05:40:06 PM

how about that older adult getting vaccinated

what a novel idea

unfortunately, I think the data is telling us that vaccinated older adults are still dying of COVID

that could include teachers

longhorn320 · « **Reply #14895 on:** August 13, 2021, 12:06:12 AM »

Quote from: FearlessF on August 12, 2021, 11:18:18 PM

unfortunately, I think the data is telling us that vaccinated older adults are still dying of COVID

that could include teachers

yes but a very low number certainly low enough that older adults should still get vaccinated

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