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You're right--it's not conclusive.

In any event, I'm dealing with kids at the high end of that test, and the results were worse for the younger kids than the older ones.  I think in general that the arguments against kids wearing masks are much stronger for kindergartners than they are for high-schoolers.

Agree with you wholeheartedly and the data backs you up on that. The data says that the younger you are the greater your chances of not getting or surviving Covid.

Well you asked me about bullies and do I think we should control the actions of others, and you use the example of a bully in school. Of course your point is valid, as I think if someone is bullying your child we should absolutely control the behavior of that “other” child, the bully.

The point I am trying to make and asking you that question is this:

If you are trying to compare a child walking around without a mask as a danger to your child,
then you are saying that person should be masked. Which in turn means you think masks work.
but if you believe that masks work to help protect children, then why is masking your own child not sufficient? If they work who cares if the other child is not masked?

 

The vast majority of masks being worn by people, and an even higher percentage for children, are not N95. They are either surgical masks, or cloth ones.

There is no value to the wearer, no protection afforded them against the airborne virus, from using a surgical or cloth mask.

However, they certainly do work as spit-catchers.  Both inbound and outbound.  And although there hasn't been much study, I think it's reasonable to believe that there is some value in preventing people's spit from entering each other's mouths, either through coughing, sneezing, spitting, speaking, singing, or yelling.

So yes, there is some value in wearing the masks, for ALL people that will be within cough/sneeze/spit-projectile distance of one another.

That value is substantially less than vaccinations, orders of magnitude lower, which renders a mask irrelevant to people that are vaccinated.  But for the unvaccinated which includes every child younger than 12, and a large percentage over 12, the masks provide at least some protection from being spit on by others, or spitting on others yourself.

The vast majority of masks being worn by people, and an even higher percentage for children, are not N95. They are either surgical masks, or cloth ones.

There is no value to the wearer, no protection afforded them against the airborne virus, from using a surgical or cloth mask.

However, they certainly do work as spit-catchers.  Both inbound and outbound.  And although there hasn't been much study, I think it's reasonable to believe that there is some value in preventing people's spit from entering each other's mouths, either through coughing, sneezing, spitting, speaking, singing, or yelling.

So yes, there is some value in wearing the masks, for ALL people that will be within cough/sneeze/spit-projectile distance of one another.

That value is substantially less than vaccinations, orders of magnitude lower, which renders a mask irrelevant to people that are vaccinated.  But for the unvaccinated which includes every child younger than 12, and a large percentage over 12, the masks provide at least some protection from being spit on by others, or spitting on others yourself.

All true. So, when you weigh that against the data that talks about the rare and miniature risk of those 12 and under, you have to decide I guess whether to force it or leave it to personal choice.

also I don’t think it’s unreasonable to believe that if we establish mask wearing to avoid spitting and other germs spreading as a excepted matter of public policy. Then we can expect masks to be close to a permanent thing or certainly pulled out every time flu numbers pick up. After all statistically speaking the flu is of substantially greater risk to children under 12 then Covid is. Substantially.

https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2021-08-12-new-study--pfizer-vaccine-efficacy-against-delta-modification-42-percent.BkwBnuzxK.html

These are only preliminary findings, and there has yet been no peer review. But mayo clinic is usually pretty good and they’re saying that the Pfizer vaccine is substantially less affective versus the Delta variant then is the Moderno vaccine.

I'm glad that my wife and I got the Moderna.

https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2021-08-12-new-study--pfizer-vaccine-efficacy-against-delta-modification-42-percent.BkwBnuzxK.html

These are only preliminary findings, and there has yet been no peer review. But mayo clinic is usually pretty good and they’re saying that the Pfizer vaccine is substantially less affective versus the Delta variant then is the Moderno vaccine.

Im not sold yet because too many other things could affect the findings

not saying its wrong only that more study is needed

Is there some solid evidence that wearing masks horribly traumatizes kids?

My wife just retired from working for 15 years as a reading specialist at a school for kids who are "on the spectrum."  If any kids might be freaked out by masks, these would likely be the ones.  They don't like wearing masks, but they adapted to it as it was explained to them that wearing masks helps stop the spread of a disease that kills people, and that wearing a mask is very much preferable to wearing a ventilator.
And my own experience is that kids don't like them, but that it doesn't drive them crazy to do so.  It's an annoyance.  For me, it's an annoyance.  But I'd rather have my students in the classroom wearing masks than be talking to their avatars on Google Meets.

But the part about wearing the mask vs wearing the ventilator isn’t really true for kids though right?  Because by far and wide kids are much less affected by covid than any other age group. 

Not to say you can’t find kids that have been seriously ill or even died from it. But statistically it’s a very small number. I haven’t looked at the county stats here in awhile but as far as I know there have not been any deaths of kids in this county from covid.