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CWSooner · « **Reply #14840 on:** August 12, 2021, 11:14:05 AM »

Seems like the vax for 12 & unders has got to be coming along soon.

GopherRock · « **Reply #14841 on:** August 12, 2021, 11:15:06 AM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on August 12, 2021, 11:06:11 AM

School Boards should be emphasizing teachers getting vaccinated not forced masking the students

And getting vaccines into student's arms as soon as it becomes permitted to do so.

CWSooner · « **Reply #14842 on:** August 12, 2021, 11:17:34 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 12, 2021, 11:13:49 AM

Fair argument. Very sound
I don’t know what the exact analogy is but I can’t use something like speed limits which is clearly something that is set to varying degrees. You can’t do masks that way. It’s an all or nothing thing so you have to find an analogy that is an all or nothing thing.

again, back to the science and the data, there are no comprehensive studies in existence which illustrate that masks are effective in the slowing of the spread of Covid or Delta. None. There are some studies which are maybe not conclusive but certainly point towards masks doing more harm to children both physically and psychologically.

It Gets back to what you said in one of your other posts. The vaccine is available and people have a choice of whether or not to get it. Forcing people to wear masks so those who are vaccinated can be protected, especially in the face of no evidence to support that it even works, it’s just not something I feel a school board or any government has the right to mandate. But I understand and respect a different opinion.

The bigger point I was making for a certain cuckoo poster was that there are three scenarios here under the governor Abbott and governor DeSantis executive order:

1. you want your kids to wear masks at school, you get your way.
2. you don’t want your kids to wear masks at school, you get your way.
3. you want to control what other people must do, You do not get your way.

it’s a win-win for those who want to control and be responsible for their own decisions. It’s a lose for those who want to control others. So, the only thing being “forbidden” is controlling others personal decisions.

any mandate or position automatically eliminates number one or number two and grants number three. Being consistent with your previous position about having to wear masks you would then agree with this but you don’t.

What about when the other person is bullying your kid? Are going to want somebody to control what that person is doing?

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #14843 on:** August 12, 2021, 11:20:39 AM »

Quote from: CWSooner on August 12, 2021, 11:17:34 AM

What about when the other person is bullying your kid? Are going to want somebody to control what that person is doing?

Yes!

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #14844 on:** August 12, 2021, 11:22:20 AM »

If you believe that a person walking around in school without a mask is a risk to your child, like a bully, for example then how can you not believe that your child wearing a mask does not protect you from the bully? Either you think masks help or you don’t.

CWSooner · « **Reply #14845 on:** August 12, 2021, 11:24:15 AM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on August 12, 2021, 11:06:11 AM

Which takes us back to kids under 18 not being masked but unvaccinated teachers should be
School Boards should be emphasizing teachers getting vaccinated not forced masking the students

Is there some solid evidence that wearing masks horribly traumatizes kids?

My wife just retired from working for 15 years as a reading specialist at a school for kids who are "on the spectrum." If any kids might be freaked out by masks, these would likely be the ones. They don't like wearing masks, but they adapted to it as it was explained to them that wearing masks helps stop the spread of a disease that kills people, and that wearing a mask is very much preferable to wearing a ventilator.
And my own experience is that kids don't like them, but that it doesn't drive them crazy to do so. It's an annoyance. For me, it's an annoyance. But I'd rather have my students in the classroom wearing masks than be talking to their avatars on Google Meets.

CWSooner · « **Reply #14846 on:** August 12, 2021, 11:25:46 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 12, 2021, 11:22:20 AM

If you believe that a person walking around in school without a mask is a risk to your child, like a bully, for example then how can you not believe that your child wearing a mask does not protect you from the bully? Either you think masks help or you don’t.

Could you reword that question? All after "then how can you not believe"?

utee94 · « **Reply #14847 on:** August 12, 2021, 11:28:31 AM »

Quote from: CWSooner on August 12, 2021, 11:14:05 AM

Seems like the vax for 12 & unders has got to be coming along soon.

December is what I'm hearing.

CWSooner · « **Reply #14848 on:** August 12, 2021, 11:30:43 AM »

Quote from: utee94 on August 12, 2021, 11:28:31 AM

December is what I'm hearing.

That will be good.
Not as good as it ought to be, of course, for the same reasons that the presence of the vax that has been out since February hasn't been as good as it ought to be.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #14849 on:** August 12, 2021, 11:31:55 AM »

Quote from: CWSooner on August 12, 2021, 11:24:15 AM

Is there some solid evidence that wearing masks horribly traumatizes kids?

My wife just retired from working for 15 years as a reading specialist at a school for kids who are "on the spectrum." If any kids might be freaked out by masks, these would likely be the ones. They don't like wearing masks, but they adapted to it as it was explained to them that wearing masks helps stop the spread of a disease that kills people, and that wearing a mask is very much preferable to wearing a ventilator.
And my own experience is that kids don't like them, but that it doesn't drive them crazy to do so. It's an annoyance. For me, it's an annoyance. But I'd rather have my students in the classroom wearing masks than be talking to their avatars on Google Meets.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/children-should-not-be-forced-to-wear-masks-due-to-co2-levels-new-study-suggests/ar-AALFKTk

There are plenty of these out there. I could’ve cut and pasted at least a dozen for you.
By no means do I consider this conclusive but it certainly points in the direction, which is more than can be said for any comprehensive study that illustrates that masks protect children and limit the spread, because there is no such data

utee94 · « **Reply #14850 on:** August 12, 2021, 11:32:30 AM »

Quote from: FearlessF on August 12, 2021, 10:53:58 AM

yes, but we have shown that masks can be forced on folks

so far forcing vaccines has been spotty

This is an excellent point and is really at the crux of the argument.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #14851 on:** August 12, 2021, 11:36:09 AM »

An evidence review of face masks against COVID-19 | PNAS

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #14852 on:** August 12, 2021, 11:36:36 AM »

Quote from: CWSooner on August 12, 2021, 11:25:46 AM

Could you reword that question? All after "then how can you not believe"?

Well you asked me about bullies and do I think we should control the actions of others, and you use the example of a bully in school. Of course your point is valid, as I think if someone is bullying your child we should absolutely control the behavior of that “other” child, the bully.

The point I am trying to make and asking you that question is this:

If you are trying to compare a child walking around without a mask as a danger to your child,
then you are saying that person should be masked. Which in turn means you think masks work.
but if you believe that masks work to help protect children, then why is masking your own child not sufficient? If they work who cares if the other child is not masked?

CWSooner · « **Reply #14853 on:** August 12, 2021, 11:41:13 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 12, 2021, 11:31:55 AM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/children-should-not-be-forced-to-wear-masks-due-to-co2-levels-new-study-suggests/ar-AALFKTk

There are plenty of these out there. I could’ve cut and pasted at least a dozen for you.
By no means do I consider this conclusive but it certainly points in the direction, which is more than can be said for any comprehensive study that illustrates that masks protect children and limit the spread, because there is no such data

You're right--it's not conclusive.

In any event, I'm dealing with kids at the high end of that test, and the results were worse for the younger kids than the older ones. I think in general that the arguments against kids wearing masks are much stronger for kindergartners than they are for high-schoolers.

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