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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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FearlessF

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13412 on: April 14, 2021, 01:00:46 PM »
As you know, you've just made the point.



So the government should probably get on board with proper messaging to help that happen.

obviously and unfortunately, we won't get proper messaging from our so called, "Leaders", the government
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13413 on: April 14, 2021, 01:12:21 PM »
obviously and unfortunately, we won't get proper messaging from our so called, "Leaders", the government
The fact that our elected government representatives are viewed by so many as "leaders" rather than "public servants" is just one of our many, many problems.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13414 on: April 14, 2021, 01:16:20 PM »
agreed

they shouldn't be given a podium and a microphone
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13415 on: April 14, 2021, 02:12:38 PM »
And one more time, I'm pointing out a single example of GOOD statesmanship, in contrast to several examples on preceding pages of BAD statesmanship.  If it were unique and unusual for Fauci to undermine his own objectives, I wouldn't bother.  But this is a consistent pattern with him.  I'm pointing out the kinds of things that can be stated that are actually likely to achieve his objectives, as opposed to things he ends up saying, which are poorly stated in general and downright baffling at times.

You won't and can't paint me into a corner of rallying for Trump.  But there can be no doubt that his statement that I quoted, was far more encouraging, than Fauci's typical commentary.
Fauci has been pretty consistent, with the exception of the VERY early stage re: masks, and at that point there probably wasn't enough community spread to justify masks yet anyway.

The problem with Fauci is that he's been consistently dour. There's no end game being proposed. That bothers me. 

As you know, you've just made the point.

I continue to be baffled by some of the things I hear about how we're going to get out of this pandemic and get back to normal life.  How we're going to get the kids back in school, when my kids have been in school since October.  How we're going to be able to have small backyard family BBQs by the 4th of July, when that's what we did LAST year in the middle of the pandemic with no vaccines in sight. And how we're going to be allowed to travel, when folks have been doing that since last May.

And how we're still going to need to wear masks and avoid large gatherings even after we get vaccinated, because.... ?????

It makes absolutely zero sense, and it undermines the actual goal, which is to get people vaccinated and get things back to normal.

Not a "new normal."  There is no such thing.  One way or another, people will get all the way back to normal, real normal, old normal-- regardless of what their government officials believe they are entitled to "allow" the public.

So the government should probably get on board with proper messaging to help that happen.
Agreed. By middle of summer, people [who haven't yet] will have given up on masks and distancing. Everyone who wants a vaccine by then will have one, and those who choose not to do so have chosen their path and have to live with the consequences.

But gov't bureaucrats in Washington [and Sacramento] think people are actually listening and doing what they say, when we've already started to say screw it and more and more will do so as soon as they're fully vaccinated. They just don't get it, and they're super-cautious by nature. So they already have lost the pulse of the situation.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13416 on: April 14, 2021, 02:19:25 PM »
some folks that have had the vaccine will still be wearing masks

the folks that don't get the vaccine are the same people that don't wear masks

regardless of the messaging

just two different ways of thinking

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13417 on: April 14, 2021, 03:03:36 PM »
As you know, you've just made the point.

I continue to be baffled by some of the things I hear about how we're going to get out of this pandemic and get back to normal life.  How we're going to get the kids back in school, when my kids have been in school since October.  How we're going to be able to have small backyard family BBQs by the 4th of July, when that's what we did LAST year in the middle of the pandemic with no vaccines in sight. And how we're going to be allowed to travel, when folks have been doing that since last May.

And how we're still going to need to wear masks and avoid large gatherings even after we get vaccinated, because.... ?????

It makes absolutely zero sense, and it undermines the actual goal, which is to get people vaccinated and get things back to normal.

Not a "new normal."  There is no such thing.  One way or another, people will get all the way back to normal, real normal, old normal-- regardless of what their government officials believe they are entitled to "allow" the public.

So the government should probably get on board with proper messaging to help that happen.
My kids have been back in school since fall '20 and about a month ago they removed the mask requirement so they're not even wearing masks anymore.  And guess what?  There are no more COVID cases now than there were before they did away with the mask mandate.  Because kids don't wear masks around each other when they're not in school.  

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« Reply #13418 on: April 14, 2021, 06:38:29 PM »
I know many of you have disagreed with my stances on certain aspects of lockdowns/etc...

I just want to state, unambiguously, that I am 100% opposed to any sort of "vaccine passport" or anything of the like. 

In about 2 months, anyone who wants a vaccine will have had one, and anyone who doesn't want one is playing with their own life and has to accept the consequences. 

But I do NOT support the idea that we all must "show our papers" in order to return to life as usual. 

2-3 months from now, it's going to be normal, no matter what anyone in Washington thinks.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13419 on: April 14, 2021, 07:20:46 PM »
I know many of you have disagreed with my stances on certain aspects of lockdowns/etc...

I just want to state, unambiguously, that I am 100% opposed to any sort of "vaccine passport" or anything of the like.

In about 2 months, anyone who wants a vaccine will have had one, and anyone who doesn't want one is playing with their own life and has to accept the consequences.

But I do NOT support the idea that we all must "show our papers" in order to return to life as usual.

2-3 months from now, it's going to be normal, no matter what anyone in Washington thinks.
well said


I couldnt agree more
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13420 on: April 14, 2021, 08:20:36 PM »
I know many of you have disagreed with my stances on certain aspects of lockdowns/etc...

I just want to state, unambiguously, that I am 100% opposed to any sort of "vaccine passport" or anything of the like.

In about 2 months, anyone who wants a vaccine will have had one, and anyone who doesn't want one is playing with their own life and has to accept the consequences.

But I do NOT support the idea that we all must "show our papers" in order to return to life as usual.

2-3 months from now, it's going to be normal, no matter what anyone in Washington thinks.
I'll drink to that.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13421 on: April 14, 2021, 09:03:01 PM »
agreed

they shouldn't be given a podium and a microphone
They should be given a fair trial followed by a 1st class hanging.Or a good dutch rub for sure
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13422 on: April 14, 2021, 09:07:04 PM »
Yes, Trump pushed for the vaccine, all along. Agreed.

Once it was clear he was not going to remain in power, I think things took a different turn. In December, politicians of all stripes [including Pence] were getting publicly vaccinated on camera to show that they believed in the vaccine and were wiling to take it. Fauci did as well. Trump got it in secret at the White House in January, and it didn't come out until March or so that he and Melania had even been vaccinated at all.

The group most skeptical of the vaccine, as demonstrated by multiple polls, were white Republicans, i.e. Trump supporters. Having the power and platform that he has, he remained extremely silent on the vaccine other than trumpeting that we wouldn't have had it without him. He didn't encourage anyone to actually get the shot until late February, as far as I can tell.

So if you're going to call waiting two+ months to tell people to take the vaccine, when your own supporters are some of the biggest skeptics of it, who obviously look up to you, "good statesmanship", I don't know what to tell you. Fauci got jabbed on camera and has been telling people ever since to get the vaccine, but Trump supporters don't trust him. Trump could have done so much more if he was in front of this while he was still President, rather than late Feb / early Mar.
Hogwash.
I could attach 30 articles quickly - the content of which are direct quotes from spring right up to roughly early November.  Each and every high level person, of NOT the Republican Party, completely bashing the credibility of the then under development vaccines.  Attacking it! Completely and INTENTIONALLY working to erode the public faith- for their own gain. It happened. It went on for MONTHS.  You can’t deny it or wash it away.

And that stuff about polls.  Who are you kidding. It took MONTHS for a good segment of the people  to grow skeptical.  And November events increased the mistrust of the so called leaders and especially the incredibly partisan media.
Legitimate questions about the vaccines that arise after they were rolled out, were censored out by a certain party- and their mouthpiece- the media. That happened. It is not debatable

you can try to make a case to justify it/ And I’m sure you will, but you absolutely cannot deny it with a straight face.

As for a vaccine passport- well for my own personal reasons I got vaccinated as soon as it was possible. But anybody who tries the vaccine passport bullshit at any place I work or do business will never see me again. It would be an enormous mistake.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13423 on: April 14, 2021, 09:09:33 PM »

2-3 months from now, it's going to be normal, no matter what anyone in Washington thinks.
Washington will never be normal
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« Reply #13424 on: April 14, 2021, 09:10:54 PM »
Oh.  One more thing. 

Faucci and the CDC have no credibility.   They have performed hideously and the lack of competence grows each day. 

Still requiring masks after vaccinations?  And you wonder why people just ignore them or laugh at them. 
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« Reply #13425 on: April 14, 2021, 09:13:21 PM »
There are certain immunizations that are required for travel to and from various countries.  I could see the C19 vaccine being added to those.

And there are certain immunizations that are required for attendance at various schools throughout the academic hierarchy.   I could see the C19 vaccine being added to those.

But a domestic vaccine passport within the USA is going to be a complete non-starter.  It's likely not even legal and would absolutely be challenged in court by the "open" states.


 

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