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You can respond-- right here-- if you think I'm incorrect when I say that Trump pushed for, and advocated, the vaccines, all along.  That's not a political discussion, if we stay way from underlying motives and party platforms.

You can also respond-- right here-- if you think I'm incorrect when I say that Trump's statement of support for the vaccines is MUCH more encouraging than the average, common statements we get from Fauci, some examples of which are on the preceding pages of this thread.

I'm not throwing a Trump rally here, I'm showing the sharp contrast between good statesmanship, and poor statesmanship, when the alleged goal of the two speakers is to produce the exact same outcome.

Yes, Trump pushed for the vaccine, all along. Agreed. 

Once it was clear he was not going to remain in power, I think things took a different turn. In December, politicians of all stripes [including Pence] were getting publicly vaccinated on camera to show that they believed in the vaccine and were wiling to take it. Fauci did as well. Trump got it in secret at the White House in January, and it didn't come out until March or so that he and Melania had even been vaccinated at all. 

The group most skeptical of the vaccine, as demonstrated by multiple polls, were white Republicans, i.e. Trump supporters. Having the power and platform that he has, he remained extremely silent on the vaccine other than trumpeting that we wouldn't have had it without him. He didn't encourage anyone to actually get the shot until late February, as far as I can tell. 

So if you're going to call waiting two+ months to tell people to take the vaccine, when your own supporters are some of the biggest skeptics of it, who obviously look up to you, "good statesmanship", I don't know what to tell you. Fauci got jabbed on camera and has been telling people ever since to get the vaccine, but Trump supporters don't trust him. Trump could have done so much more if he was in front of this while he was still President, rather than late Feb / early Mar.

I'm pointing out specific statements.  That represent statesmanship.

LAst I checked, actions are not statements.  So they're not really part of statesmanship.

I do agree that Trump going radio silent from DEC-FEB was poor leadership.  And there are numerous examples of THAT for sure.

You don't think actions are part of statesmanship?

So now Dr Fauci and the CDC is saying even if youve had your shots you should not get into large crowds and still wear your mask.  Why???

Do they know something about the effectiveness of the vaccine they arent telling the public

Thats a little alarming

No they are just being over the top as they have been during most of this pandemic.  Yes I know, it is just my opinion which many of you reject.

there's that clear concise message we were all waiting for!!!

Then you haven't been listening

Im not rejecting your opinion

Just saying it makes no sense to say vaccinated people should still be careful and to continue to wear masks etc

I agree 100%. One of the major problems with the handling of the pandemic from the beginning has been Fauci and he is just continuing in that vein with every statement he continues to make.

I don't see any harm in being careful and wearing a mask.

now, I haven't had a mask on in a few weeks, but..........

Good Heavens, no.  He's much worse than most. He's actually creating Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt among the public about agents and processes that are scientifically sound.  He's undermining the "follow the science" at every turn.

He's really quite awful.

Deep State is deep.