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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9982 on: October 29, 2020, 11:29:55 AM »


What could have caused that September dip?

I don't think looking at the entire country's data is particularly useful or instructive.  Or even an entire state. if it's a large one.

For example, here in the Austin metro area, there is no "September dip" because there's no "October spike."  Cases have trended down steadily since the July spike, and then has held relatively steady since August.  We're seeing some slight increases in hospitalizations, but if it's going to be another spike, it won't hit that until mid/late November at this point, and the case counts themselves haven't increased sharply enough to make me think the hospitalizations will do so dramatically.

As for why it trended down here, since July, it's pretty easy to say that after people relaxed in May/June, they became vigilant again in July.  Interior spaces like bars were closed down, restaurants were taken back down to 25%, mask-wearing became ubiquitous, etc.  Those are the clear drivers in MY area.  I can't speak for anywhere else though.


Edit: For anyone interested, here's the link to the Austin/Travis County metro area data: https://austin.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/39e4f8d4acb0433baae6d15a931fa984

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9983 on: October 29, 2020, 11:40:19 AM »
Northern states are seeing the worst spikes in the key metrics from what I can see. It got cold out.

The worst spreaders of this are not restaurants. Bars are different, especially when people start to get hammered and let their guard down.

The worst spreaders are the private gatherings. That is what the experts are saying. 

But hey - close the restaurants. Screw private business. That's what it feels like to me anyway.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9984 on: October 29, 2020, 12:00:44 PM »
This thing can very well end/remake the economy as we know it, without resorting to living in caves and using the barter system.

But instead, you want to claim you have the moral high ground at all times, and act like the rest of us are indifferent to the health and suffering of our countrymen.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9985 on: October 29, 2020, 12:02:43 PM »
A part of me wonders where the damage from limits ends and the unavoidable pandemic damage begins.

Like, a friend traveled for a CFB game a couple weeks back. Got a flight that is almost never cheap at a good rate and a hotel in a college town where you just don't get that. And it was at a game that was more than 3,000 below reduced capacity (25%).

Like a lot of folks would naturally stay home, but how many is an interesting question.
That's what I wonder too. If everything is "open", how many people will still go? Will it be enough for these businesses to survive anyway? 

I really miss travel. My wife and I loved going places. Sometimes that was wrapping a weekend around one of my business trips so there was airfare/hotel. Sometimes that was a trip to wine country (Paso or Napa) involving a fair bit of consumer spending, dining out, and hotel/airbnb. Sometimes we'd just get away for a weekend in San Diego. 

I've put all that off, and will continue to put all that off, until and unless we either have a vaccine or reach a point by spring where all hope of a vaccine is gone. 

Now, I'm just one anecdotal point. I don't know if most people would be like me, or if most people would return to their old ways if things were reopened. But I'm one example of several thousand dollars of economic activity over the course of a year that won't simply return just because Gavin Newsom says things can reopen--it will take more than that.

The cure cannot be worse than the cause. There has to be balance.
Tough to say. Some offer ideas about what we should be doing NOW. Some don't or won't.
I've offered ideas, mostly about messaging reasonable ways to remain safe in a world of partial reopening. 

I do wonder where your balance point is. It's easy to say "the cure can't be worse than the disease", but what's your concrete balance point?

Would you allow restaurant reopening for indoor at full capacity? 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9986 on: October 29, 2020, 01:07:33 PM »
I do wonder where your balance point is. It's easy to say "the cure can't be worse than the disease", but what's your concrete balance point?

Would you allow restaurant reopening for indoor at full capacity?
Full capacity, no. 50% yes.

Full capacity is allowed here in FL, but most places are holding to the 50 or so. They are making it work. Outside dining is of course common here too.

If I owned a place up North, I'd be super pissed. Businesses are being killed by decree - a decree that is not necessary.

The City of Chicago and State of Illinois have not laid off one employee. Not ONE. Don't think the businesses being crushed don't notice that.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9987 on: October 29, 2020, 01:09:26 PM »
I've offered ideas, mostly about messaging reasonable ways to remain safe in a world of partial reopening.

I do wonder where your balance point is. It's easy to say "the cure can't be worse than the disease", but what's your concrete balance point?

Would you allow restaurant reopening for indoor at full capacity?
I've read your stuff with more interest than most here, and learned things, which is good obviously.  We had lunch today inside, they had marked off half the tables.  

I would not go full at this point, but each state and locality may be different.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9988 on: October 29, 2020, 01:15:29 PM »
I haven't dined inside in Austin even once since restaurants reopened last May.  That's my limit of comfort, I'm just not willing to do it.

But, my family and have I dined out at least once and sometimes twice, every week, since May.  Always outside on patios.  It was warm in July and August, but shaded patios are the norm around here.  I'd guess that over 50% of restaurants in the area have outdoor dining, even the little places in strip centers often have a few tables out on the sidewalk in front.  A large number also have space heaters so that they can extend their outdoor capabilities into the winter. 

I've also frequented outdoor biergartens at local breweries, and a couple of outdoor patios of beer-bars.  But I wouldn't venture to an indoor-only nightclub type of bar right now, even if any were open.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9989 on: October 29, 2020, 01:23:02 PM »
We have dined inside three times, we were alone in the room each time except the server.

Today, for lunch, we would have dined on the patio, but there is a large construction project adjacent making noise.  A lot of noise.

It's an Italian place, La Pulcinella, really good.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9990 on: October 29, 2020, 01:32:05 PM »
I haven't dined inside in Austin even once since restaurants reopened last May.  That's my limit of comfort, I'm just not willing to do it.

But, my family and have I dined out at least once and sometimes twice, every week, since May. Always outside on patios.  It was warm in July and August, but shaded patios are the norm around here.  I'd guess that over 50% of restaurants in the area have outdoor dining, even the little places in strip centers often have a few tables out on the sidewalk in front.  A large number also have space heaters so that they can extend their outdoor capabilities into the winter. 

I've also frequented outdoor biergartens at local breweries, and a couple of outdoor patios of beer-bars.  But I wouldn't venture to an indoor-only nightclub type of bar right now, even if any were open.
Yep, I think your estimate of the risk with outdoor spaces is less than mine, but overall I consider outdoor spaces pretty safe. 

As mentioned I've probably pushed things a little more than I'd like by spending time with people outside my household in outdoor spaces, but to some extent I just couldn't take the isolation any more.

Tonight we're seeing my estranged brother and his wife. Due to family drama I cut them off over 3 years ago despite the fact that they'd moved to less than 20 miles away from me. His wife [who caused the problem] is trying to correct it. Going to be at an outdoor winery/restaurant. I suppose the good thing is that I'm more worried about how this is going to go than I am about contracting COVID lol...

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9991 on: October 29, 2020, 01:38:27 PM »
There is always going to be risk with this thing. How people personally manage is the biggest challenge.

You can't fix stupid, but you can avoid it.

We've had a lot of guys in here, working, so I bought a thermometer. They don't mind either. 

They all tell me they are being VERY careful, because they want to WORK.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9992 on: October 29, 2020, 02:12:14 PM »
Yep, I think your estimate of the risk with outdoor spaces is less than mine, but overall I consider outdoor spaces pretty safe.

As mentioned I've probably pushed things a little more than I'd like by spending time with people outside my household in outdoor spaces, but to some extent I just couldn't take the isolation any more.

Tonight we're seeing my estranged brother and his wife. Due to family drama I cut them off over 3 years ago despite the fact that they'd moved to less than 20 miles away from me. His wife [who caused the problem] is trying to correct it. Going to be at an outdoor winery/restaurant. I suppose the good thing is that I'm more worried about how this is going to go than I am about contracting COVID lol...
Ha!  Yeah...


I definitely have little concern about outdoor activities.  Maybe I'm wrong, but we go out to eat with my brother's family (him, his wife, and my niece) regularly, and we've had them over to the pool outside many times.  Also, same thing for my friend Bald Greg and his kids (who some on here have met because BG ran the tailgate party with me).  I suppose you could call them our "pod" but we're even less formal than that.

We've also gone out to eat-- outside-- with my parents several times.  We'll be doing so again tomorrow night, since today is my mom's bday.

If that is considered risky behavior, then I've been extremely risky.  And haven't had any issues, either, with almost 6 months of data behind it.  So there you have it.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9993 on: October 29, 2020, 02:18:21 PM »
If that is considered risky behavior, then I've been extremely risky.  And haven't had any issues, either, with almost 6 months of data behind it.  So there you have it.
Well, I don't know about "haven't had any issues".

If you ask Badge, everyone's already had it. Probably twice :57:

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9994 on: October 29, 2020, 02:19:21 PM »
Well, I don't know about "haven't had any issues".

If you ask Badge, everyone's already had it. Probably twice :57:
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9995 on: October 29, 2020, 02:22:33 PM »
We have about 10 million known (reported) cases in the US (327 million population).  Let's triple that and round it, and we get that about 1% of the population has been infected over 6 months.  Where you live can differ of course.

But, your odds of encountering a contagious person are quite low, no matter your safety efforts.  And then do you spend enough time in close proximity with them?

We probably "pass" about 100 people a day, by that I include walking on the street or in the park, but we spent time in proximity with none of them, maybe brief seconds, so I figure my exposure risk is very small for ONE DAY.

I think individual risk is quite low with even reasonable precautions.  But, the public health risk multiplies that over millions of people.

I mentioned my kid in Texas contracted it in March, an infected person came to their HQ and shook hands and confabbed etc.  Nobody knew.

 

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