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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8820 on: September 18, 2020, 05:28:55 PM »
Like I said, Sweden looks different than pretty much everyone else.  Don't know if they're just voluntarily doing a better job of keeping distant, or if there's something else at work.

I will say that if I were an epidemiologist, if that were my actual job, I'd probably be researching VERY deeply into what's happening there.
I know that at the start of this, their demographics were unique. They have a lot of single-person households, and very few three-generation households. Their workforce was already more WFH capable than a lot of other nations. And they don't have the level of anti-mask Karens that we do. 

Their COVID experience was much worse than their "peers" of Norway and Finland, as well. So to the extent that demographics and culture play into it, there's that.

But I have no explanation for how they turned their cases and deaths so low. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8821 on: September 18, 2020, 05:31:24 PM »
I know that at the start of this, their demographics were unique. They have a lot of single-person households, and very few three-generation households. Their workforce was already more WFH capable than a lot of other nations. And they don't have the level of anti-mask Karens that we do.

Their COVID experience was much worse than their "peers" of Norway and Finland, as well. So to the extent that demographics and culture play into it, there's that.

But I have no explanation for how they turned their cases and deaths so low.
Methinks a lot of people will be getting their PhDs in epidemiology trying to come up with an explanation.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8822 on: September 18, 2020, 05:32:12 PM »
can't move to Sweden

too much winter weather

and I'm sure they put beans in their chili and think grilling meat is BBQ
They serve fish soaked in lye as a delicacy. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8823 on: September 18, 2020, 05:35:34 PM »
one of the few things I won't eat
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8824 on: September 18, 2020, 05:39:24 PM »
one of the few things I won't eat
I'd try it. Just to say I've done so. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8825 on: September 18, 2020, 05:59:23 PM »
Sweden got hit pretty hard back in April, and then ... whoosh, despite many assertions they would crash and burn.

It's an amazing story really.  Meanwhile France is going vertical.  I think France is on the verge of a re-shut down, which I also think won't really do more than delay things.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8826 on: September 18, 2020, 06:16:46 PM »
Sweden got hit pretty hard back in April, and then ... whoosh, despite many assertions they would crash and burn.

It's an amazing story really.  Meanwhile France is going vertical.  I think France is on the verge of a re-shut down, which I also think won't really do more than delay things.
People act like the Sweden approach was "do nothing; life is normal."

Here's an article that points out that they actually did quite a few things... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7356107/

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8827 on: September 18, 2020, 06:20:51 PM »
I'd try it. Just to say I've done so.
I tried it more than 2 or 3 times
a lot of it in this area, back in the day.. not as prevalent today

large  Norwegian groups
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8828 on: September 18, 2020, 06:26:44 PM »
I tried it more than 2 or 3 times
a lot of it in this area, back in the day.. not as prevalent today

large  Norwegian groups
Ahh, got it. I wasn't sure if you were in the "I'll never even try it" camp. If you've tried it and know you don't like it, I get that. 

I've tried coconut. Can't freakin stand it. Won't eat it. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8829 on: September 18, 2020, 06:28:29 PM »
one person's description.....................

The word “lutefisk” translates to “lye fish,” which is the first clue regarding this mystery meal, but it looks unlike any seafood most people have ever seen. It’s white, semi-translucent, and, weirdest of all, gelatinous. Honestly, it looks like a cross between fat cells and some type of jellyfish Jell-O (apologies for that mental image). Okay, enough already, what in the heck is it?

Lutefisk is whitefish — which refers to several species of finned fish such as cod, ling, or burbot — that has been air-dried and may or may not be salted. (The unsalted version is also known as “stockfish.”) It is first soaked in cold water for five or six days, with the water changed daily. The now-saturated fish is then soaked again for two days in an unchanged solution of cold water and lye. Lye, for the record, is a substance obtained by leaching ashes, and is also known as sodium hydroxide. After this weeklong process, the fish loses half of its protein and gains a jelly-like consistency. At this point it is also caustic (you may remember lye as the stuff Tyler Durden used in Fight Club to cause chemical burns and also make soap), so it needs another four to six days of soaking in cold water, refreshed daily, before it is ready to be cooked. Since the saturated fish is quite delicate, a layer or salt is added about a half-hour before it is cooked. This releases some of the water being held. It is then placed in a sealed pan and steam cooked on low heat for 20-25 minutes, or wrapped in aluminum foil and baked at 435 degrees F for 40-50 minutes.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8830 on: September 18, 2020, 06:42:08 PM »
People act like the Sweden approach was "do nothing; life is normal."

Here's an article that points out that they actually did quite a few things... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7356107/
Even so, that does not explain how they got hammered early on and are now skating.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8831 on: September 18, 2020, 06:43:39 PM »
"Lye" is a generic term for sodium hydroxide, "base", the opposite of acid.  It is used to make soap by saponifying animal fat.

The company for whom I used to work has some history in the area.

I'm always amazed reading about 19th century chemists and the stuff they managed to do.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8832 on: September 18, 2020, 06:45:49 PM »
Even so, that does not explain how they got hammered early on and are now skating.
I know. But if it was an "area under the curve" answer, it wouldn't explain why Georgia isn't skating right now. 

I think that we're looking at Sweden with an extreme outsiders view, and we're trying to answer questions we're not capable given a lack of knowledge about the real situation on the ground.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8833 on: September 18, 2020, 07:52:44 PM »
I know. But if it was an "area under the curve" answer, it wouldn't explain why Georgia isn't skating right now.

I think that we're looking at Sweden with an extreme outsiders view, and we're trying to answer questions we're not capable given a lack of knowledge about the real situation on the ground.
I love the comparisons between Sweden and Georgia.  Go get 10 people from each place and tell me there are another 2 groups of people on this planet who are more different in every way. 
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