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longhorn320 · « **Reply #7154 on:** July 22, 2020, 12:10:26 AM »

I was born so long ago there were still civil war veterans alive

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #7155 on:** July 22, 2020, 04:37:34 AM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 21, 2020, 10:18:01 PM

What I'm saying isn't eye-opening at all....except to a board full of boomers.

Not trying to stir the pot, just a tangent that none of you will acknowledge. Forget I said anything.

This is not a shell game, where “wealth” is the marble and there are 3 cups, and someone is hiding it. “Wealth” is not finite. It is created, and creatable.

whatever wealth I have took me 34 years in the workforce, and scratching out a living, and investing and saving like a dog to create.

Never in our countries history have young people had so much wealth. Much of it created by their ingenuity, some of it passed down from their parents or inherited by family who actually worked to create it.

Unfortunately the young people of today feel entitled. They believe they should be able to have nice cars nice houses boats etc. just because they should or as their parents and older generation had to work for years to acquire those things.

re-distributing the wealth is the common call of socialist, communist, and liberals, so let me suggest that you go away.

If it is wealth you want I suggest you go work to create it instead of trying to take it from someone who has already earned it. It’s called meritocracy.

MaximumSam · « **Reply #7156 on:** July 22, 2020, 06:29:59 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on July 22, 2020, 04:37:34 AM

This is not a shell game, where “wealth” is the marble and there are 3 cups, and someone is hiding it. “Wealth” is not finite. It is created, and creatable.

whatever wealth I have took me 34 years in the workforce, and scratching out a living, and investing and saving like a dog to create.

Never in our countries history have young people had so much wealth. Much of it created by their ingenuity, some of it passed down from their parents or inherited by family who actually worked to create it.

Unfortunately the young people of today feel entitled. They believe they should be able to have nice cars nice houses boats etc. just because they should or as their parents and older generation had to work for years to acquire those things.

re-distributing the wealth is the common call of socialist, communist, and liberals, so let me suggest that you go away.

If it is wealth you want I suggest you go work to create it instead of trying to take it from someone who has already earned it. It’s called meritocracy.

One problem is our policies, which help to move wealth away from the hardworking people and towards the people who already have it. For example, housing and education costs have outstripped inflation, so buying a house 40 years ago and doing nothing but laying around in it would put you far ahead of someone today who is working hard, as they have huge loans coming out the gate. In many areas it is quite difficult to get by without a car, which becomes a large but necessary expense because we haven't invested in much public transportation. So the hard working young people start way behind the game that their comparably lazy parents did.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #7157 on:** July 22, 2020, 06:38:41 AM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on July 22, 2020, 06:29:59 AM

One problem is our policies, which help to move wealth away from the hardworking people and towards the people who already have it. For example, housing and education costs have outstripped inflation, so buying a house 40 years ago and doing nothing but laying around in it would put you far ahead of someone today who is working hard, as they have huge loans coming out the gate. In many areas it is quite difficult to get by without a car, which becomes a large but necessary expense because we haven't invested in much public transportation. So the hard working young people start way behind the game that their comparably lazy parents did.

Huh? Paid my way through college including multiple student loans because my parents didn’t have the money to give me. Got my degree got a job leased a cheap car and rented for many years, saved to buy my first small cheap house, kept working hard until I could move up a house. Struggled to put food on our table while we had children and started saving for their college immediately. Very slowly started seeing increases in income. Didn’t really have money for a nice car until I was 40.

The money I was very diligently saving for retirement got clipped bad in my early 40s when the 2000 recession hit.

is no different today it’s just at the younger people are more entitled and lazy. They’re starting salaries are substantially higher than ours were relatively speaking. Their opportunity to skip from one company to the next to get an increase in pay is 10 times more easier than it was.

It always makes me sick when people want what someone else has and has earned versus getting it on their own but that’s the liberal way today

MaximumSam · « **Reply #7158 on:** July 22, 2020, 06:49:33 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on July 22, 2020, 06:38:41 AM

Huh? Paid my way through college including multiple student loans because my parents didn’t have the money to give me. Got my degree got a job leased a cheap car and rented for many years, saved to buy my first small cheap house, kept working hard until I could move up a house. Struggled to put food on our table while we had children and started saving for their college immediately. Very slowly started seeing increases in income. Didn’t really have money for a nice car until I was 40.

The money I was very diligently saving for retirement got clipped bad in my early 40s when the 2000 recession hit.

is no different today it’s just at the younger people are more entitled and lazy. They’re starting salaries are substantially higher than ours were relatively speaking. Their opportunity to skip from one company to the next to get an increase in pay is 10 times more easier than it was.

It always makes me sick when people want what someone else has and has earned versus getting it on their own but that’s the liberal way today

Your story is indistinguishable from young people's today, except that they also get a big debt on top of it (and housing is way more expensive).

NorthernOhioBuckeye · « **Reply #7159 on:** July 22, 2020, 06:53:25 AM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on July 22, 2020, 06:29:59 AM

One problem is our policies, which help to move wealth away from the hardworking people and towards the people who already have it. For example, housing and education costs have outstripped inflation, so buying a house 40 years ago and doing nothing but laying around in it would put you far ahead of someone today who is working hard, as they have huge loans coming out the gate. In many areas it is quite difficult to get by without a car, which becomes a large but necessary expense because we haven't invested in much public transportation. So the hard working young people start way behind the game that their comparably lazy parents did.

I don't know what planet you're living on, but I can tell you that buying a home today is less expensive than it was when I bought my first house. The banks are practically giving money away at 3-4% interest rates where my first home had a rate of 13%.

As for need for transportation, I assume you live in a city or large town. I spent my first 15 years in Columbus and can tell you that at 12, I could get almost anywhere in the city with something called COTA. After that, we moved north into a rural area where the closest town with a store was 7 miles. And there is NO COTA. When I turned 16, I had a job and paid for my first POS car that was able to get me around (when I wasn't working on it to keep it running). No, I didn't get a brand new car and there was no leasing of vehicles at the time. If you wanted a car, you had to either get financing or have the money to buy it.

We also didn't have the luxuries that today's youth have. We didn't have cable TV or internet, but we did have a phone (which was on a party line shared with 2 neighbors). There were not personal computers or I pads, VCRs, DVR's, XBox's, etc. I had a bicycle and a friend that lived only 3 miles away. And I wouldn't trade those years for anything.

You have not walked in our shoes and have no idea what you are talking about. The wealth that we have, was earned, not handed to us. I would suggest to those complaining about their situation, do the same.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #7160 on:** July 22, 2020, 07:11:18 AM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on July 22, 2020, 06:49:33 AM

Your story is indistinguishable from young people's today, except that they also get a big debt on top of it (and housing is way more expensive).

My story is indistinguishable from millions of people in my age group. Some had a little help from their parents to get through to a degree. But they started with nothing but a degree and have worked their way to being close to retirement and are just starting to benefit from the fruits of their 30 years of labor. They put their kids through school, saved like crazy for retirement since their are no pensions for most of them, give generously to charity of their money and time, pay huge amounts of their income to taxes.
in many cases, such as mine, their children’s incomes are tenfold higher than their own at the same age. Their children’s ability to buy a house is exponentially easier due to 3% rates versus 10%, and the ability to put nothing down. Let

MaximumSam · « **Reply #7161 on:** July 22, 2020, 07:13:10 AM »

Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on July 22, 2020, 06:53:25 AM

I don't know what planet you're living on, but I can tell you that buying a home today is less expensive than it was when I bought my first house. The banks are practically giving money away at 3-4% interest rates where my first home had a rate of 13%.

As for need for transportation, I assume you live in a city or large town. I spent my first 15 years in Columbus and can tell you that at 12, I could get almost anywhere in the city with something called COTA. After that, we moved north into a rural area where the closest town with a store was 7 miles. And there is NO COTA. When I turned 16, I had a job and paid for my first POS car that was able to get me around (when I wasn't working on it to keep it running). No, I didn't get a brand new car and there was no leasing of vehicles at the time. If you wanted a car, you had to either get financing or have the money to buy it.

We also didn't have the luxuries that today's youth have. We didn't have cable TV or internet, but we did have a phone (which was on a party line shared with 2 neighbors). There were not personal computers or I pads, VCRs, DVR's, XBox's, etc. I had a bicycle and a friend that lived only 3 miles away. And I wouldn't trade those years for anything.

You have not walked in our shoes and have no idea what you are talking about. The wealth that we have, was earned, not handed to us. I would suggest to those complaining about their situation, do the same.

Housing costs aren't some some sort of mystery. They have outstripped other forms of inflation. In some cities they have far outstripped other forms of inflation. Interest rates have gone down, but that doesn't matter much to renters (who are typically the young entitled people you are complaining about). In any event, whatever you have gone through isn't any different than what people today have gone through, except that housing prices and education are way more expensive.

COTA still exists in Columbus. In 2012 it was ranked 24th out of the 25 biggest cities for public transportation. It's frankly somewhat embarrassing that our major cities are so inept at public services compared to other countries, though that is in direct relationship with the supposed "hard workers" wanting to turn a profit off of the backs of younger poorer people.

MaximumSam · « **Reply #7162 on:** July 22, 2020, 07:17:58 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on July 22, 2020, 07:11:18 AM

My story is indistinguishable from millions of people in my age group. Some had a little help from their parents to get through to a degree. But they started with nothing but a degree and have worked their way to being close to retirement and are just starting to benefit from the fruits of their 30 years of labor. They put their kids through school, saved like crazy for retirement since their are no pensions for most of them, give generously to charity of their money and time, pay huge amounts of their income to taxes.
in many cases, such as mine, their children’s incomes are tenfold higher than their own at the same age. Their children’s ability to buy a house is exponentially easier due to 3% rates versus 10%, and the ability to put nothing down. Let

Buying a house may be easier, it is undoubtedly more expensive. As is education. And health insurance. Young people may have it easier in some respects - they clearly have it harder in those respects.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #7163 on:** July 22, 2020, 08:17:09 AM »

Quote from: ELA on July 21, 2020, 09:37:06 PM

What the actual...? We deserve a pandemic.

https://twitter.com/MRKR/status/1285587832405360640?s=19

That twit makes no sense.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #7164 on:** July 22, 2020, 08:21:27 AM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 21, 2020, 10:00:13 PM

I'm sure it's dozens of things, many of which I don't know enough about, but it's mostly concerning housing costs and college cost, with the corresponding debt.

It was MUCH better to be 35 years old 25 years ago than it is now. And it's not just those two big factors "happening" - the boomers are the decison-makers, in the aspects that happen to have such a thing.

Every older generation runs things for a certain time, but things are especially tight for the younger generations now, financially.

Those liberal arts professors gotta get paid.

And the landlords have to pay for Kollege for their own kids.

Maybe to get a useful degree?? Maybe??

Cincydawg · « **Reply #7165 on:** July 22, 2020, 08:32:04 AM »

I had it a LOT easier than my parents did. I think my kids had it a bit easier than I did, but really about the same.

As for cruises, I think a lot of folks my age view a cruise a year as a "thing to do" in retirement. It kind of solves the problem of what to do on vacation, you fly, board ship, and then it's all taken care of, it's easy.

I'm done with cruises in the US, but we're planning on some more in Europe whenever is S ends. We might all be getting shots every 4 months or so.

I keep seeing some folks on FB claim they won't get shots because Bill Gates is putting tracking chips inside the vaccine. And as you would expect, any kind of logical comment about that is rebuffed. These weird rumors really spread fast and I suppose many of "us" are not critical thinkers, or thinkers at all?

A chip for your pet is about the size of a grain of rice, which is obviously larger than any vaccine needle, and it has no power source, so it can't broadcast your location at all. I suggested if someone was really concerned about this they could wrap aluminum foil around their arm (and head) to prevent the signal from going out, and their phone to boot, since phones locate you unless you turn it off.

And why would Bill Gates care about this at all? Why would anyone? Maybe for marketing purposes.

Entropy · « **Reply #7166 on:** July 22, 2020, 08:44:07 AM »

We will still cruise. We want to go on a European for our upcoming 25th wedding anniversary. Our kids love the cruises as well. We enjoy the fact that most things are taken care of once you board... we enjoy the fact that you get to see different places without having to pack and unpack your luggage and move hotels... we enjoy the fact that cruises have a lot of entertainment options and we don't have to plan our days...

I do expect some changes to be made on cruises, but we will go again.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #7167 on:** July 22, 2020, 08:45:36 AM »

GA new reported cases MAY have leveled, albeit at a high level. There was a death spike yesterday, just for one day. Hospital usage leveled but just for one day, it's still quite high.

I'm going in today to have a doc look at my shoulder, maybe getting an MRI to check it out. The wife talked me into it, and we are supposed to have baseball in January again. I'd love to bring my ol' heater back with me.

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