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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5572 on: June 20, 2020, 05:38:46 PM »
First 5 google image search results for "George Floyd protests" (first five CFB51 would accept for posting, anyway).

Obviously not 100% mask coverage. But far above 50%. I'd guess above 80%.

Do you think the rally tonight will resemble these pictures regarding mask usage?












your kidding me right? Google?  Your seem like an incredibly intelligent dude to me so I will chalk that on up as a mulligan

I get the point you try to make though. But Google?  That gave me a hearty laugh. Talk about a left leaning censorship flagship.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5573 on: June 20, 2020, 05:42:24 PM »
Just to put all the facts on the table, our current POTUS did answer evasively when asked if he would accept the results if he lost.
Yes- but let’s focus on what actually happened- not what he said she said.   She lost and is still blaming it on Russian interference and numerous other conspiracy theories.  
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« Reply #5574 on: June 20, 2020, 06:06:13 PM »
HB, it seems to me that his winning formula has been to get a large minority of the people so angry at the rest of the people that they will show up in greater numbers in the critical states on election day.  It worked when his opponent was perhaps the most disliked woman in America.  But he's not going to have the detested-opponent factor working for him this fall, as the opposition is much more united and fired up and the opposition candidate is much more likable.  So he's got to get his base even angrier than they were in 2016.  That's what he's doing in Tulsa today.  That's why the National Guard troops are here.  I wonder if the presence of the National Guard is going to be a staple of his rallies for the rest of the campaign.  Who pays the bills for that?
I don't think that it being his only way to win justifies doing anything and everything that works.  It escalates the anger on both sides.  There are some tactics that candidates on both sides should foreswear.
My esposita just saw in "breaking news" that six of the POTUS' staffers setting up the rally have tested positive for exposure to COVID-19.
This is interesting but wildly speculative.  
Let’s start with me making it very clear that I did not vote for POTUS in 2016 nor will I be voting for him this year. Just absorb that for one second.

First of all your assumption about minority and majority is faulty. Our country is a collection of states that each pick their winner and POTUS Won what, 32 of the 50 states?  In that sense the election was not that close.

“He“ made the minority angry??. I think you are confusing cause-and-effect. There are a lot of theories books and other reading about how he won the election. Nearly all of them agree to some extent that the over the top PC climate- today most often referred to as The Woke or Triggered Culture- strongly contributed to the results because people were just fed up with the ridiculousness of what they felt was going on.   They wanted exactly what they got which is a Washington outsider who was not a career long politician.   Again remember I am not saying I agree with that I did not vote for him. Many against him insisted he was not capable not polished and not caring and you could make a great argument that they were proven correct.  But he did not do that -that was created over many years before he ever came along as a candidate.

There are many that theorize that his current supporters represent a sleeping bear, the silent majority, or whatever you want to call it.  I highly doubt it is a majority but I think it’s more substantial than you are giving it credit for. Their whole basis for being so energized is that the people with the microphones, the elites and the media are painting a picture every day of what a loser he is - how you should conform, and they realize that those people with the microphones do not speak for them or virtually anybody they know I highly doubt it is a majority but I think it’s more substantial than you are giving it credit for. Their whole basis for being so energized is that the people with the microphones, the elites and the media are painting a picture every day of what a loser he is and they realize that those people with the microphones do not speak for them or virtually anybody they know   And don’t point fingers at this crowd and insist that they are dumb or racist and all the stuff that the media tries to sell because it simply is middle-class Americans or upper middle-class Americans with an education -who are not racist at all but feel that the country continues to go way too far to the left and socialism and they see POTUS as the only thing standing in the way for that to continue to evolve. And don’t point fingers at this crowd and insist that they are dumb or racist and all the stuff that the media tries to sell because it simply is middle-class Americans or upper middle-class Americans with an education in who are not racist at all but feel that the country continues to go way too far to the left and socialism and they see POTUS as the only thing standing in the way for that to continue to evolve.   If he did not hold some of these rallies then they only thing they would see or hear in the majority of the media is a false premise which was proven by the 2016 election results.   

Imagine- in theUSA, portraying a campaign rally as a bad thing.  It is a perfect example of what that crowd finds so offensive- after just witnessing strong media and Dem political support for thousands to gather for a cause that turned into a “ war on police-something they find abhorrent.  They see the death of free speech.  Only those who comply can speak. If your words do not match the people with the microphones you are quickly chastise, fired from your job, and in some cases beaten within an inch of their life and they see that with their own eyes every single day.   ( hint- don’t use google to try to find that video)

That has NOTHING to to with POTUS. They saw that before he ever entered the picture. They saw the calls for violence “ what do we want: dead pigs, when do we want them, now” and the POTUS at that one reacted to that with( paraphrasing) I don’t blame them- they are angry. 

I could give many more examples. 

Lastly, and again this is coming from someone who will not vote for POTUS, you are completely under selling the level of divisive Ness actually being generated intentionally by strong voices in the media. It is in their best interest for tribal politics to stand strong. Everybody has to fall into a group or category. That’s the main reason to exist each morning when they wake up and if you can’t see that I don’t know what to tell you

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5575 on: June 20, 2020, 06:23:13 PM »
They're well known. That said, they might be outdated. I seem to remember hearing about them maybe a decade ago or more. So maybe the number is 100K now. And I'm sure the number is higher depending where you live.

And they don't say that your life doesn't get more comfortable with additional income, or specifically what OAM intimated about "mo money, mo problems".

But they said that as far as "happiness" is concerned, there are diminishing returns once you cross into upper middle class and are comfortable. More money helps with baby things, but happiness plateaus and needs to be satisfied by other means than money if you want to be happier.
I have read various summaries of studies that show things along that line.  For example, many couples with long and happy marriages say that they were happiest early on when they were working hard to make ends meet.  But I had never seen a dollar figure put to that conclusion.
I firmly believe that there is great satisfaction to be derived from a good work experience--working hard, doing it well, and being recognized for having done so.  Or even if the hard worker believes that he/she is doing a good job.  We devalue work--greatly to our detriment--when we devise social-welfare programs designed to enable people to "follow their dreams" without having to work.
We seem to have gone off in a "Stream of Unconciousness" direction here.
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« Reply #5576 on: June 20, 2020, 06:31:00 PM »
This is interesting but wildly speculative. 
Let’s start with me making it very clear that I did not vote for POTUS in 2016 nor will I be voting for him this year. Just absorb that for one second.

First of all your assumption about minority and majority is faulty. Our country is a collection of states that each pick their winner and POTUS Won what, 32 of the 50 states?  In that sense the election was not that close.

“He“ made the minority angry??. I think you are confusing cause-and-effect. There are a lot of theories books and other reading about how he won the election. Nearly all of them agree to some extent that the over the top PC climate- today most often referred to as The Woke or Triggered Culture- strongly contributed to the results because people were just fed up with the ridiculousness of what they felt was going on.  They wanted exactly what they got which is a Washington outsider who was not a career long politician.  Again remember I am not saying I agree with that I did not vote for him. Many against him insisted he was not capable not polished and not caring and you could make a great argument that they were proven correct.  But he did not do that -that was created over many years before he ever came along as a candidate.

There are many that theorize that his current supporters represent a sleeping bear, the silent majority, or whatever you want to call it.  I highly doubt it is a majority but I think it’s more substantial than you are giving it credit for. Their whole basis for being so energized is that the people with the microphones, the elites and the media are painting a picture every day of what a loser he is - how you should conform, and they realize that those people with the microphones do not speak for them or virtually anybody they know I highly doubt it is a majority but I think it’s more substantial than you are giving it credit for. Their whole basis for being so energized is that the people with the microphones, the elites and the media are painting a picture every day of what a loser he is and they realize that those people with the microphones do not speak for them or virtually anybody they know  And don’t point fingers at this crowd and insist that they are dumb or racist and all the stuff that the media tries to sell because it simply is middle-class Americans or upper middle-class Americans with an education -who are not racist at all but feel that the country continues to go way too far to the left and socialism and they see POTUS as the only thing standing in the way for that to continue to evolve. And don’t point fingers at this crowd and insist that they are dumb or racist and all the stuff that the media tries to sell because it simply is middle-class Americans or upper middle-class Americans with an education in who are not racist at all but feel that the country continues to go way too far to the left and socialism and they see POTUS as the only thing standing in the way for that to continue to evolve.  If he did not hold some of these rallies then they only thing they would see or hear in the majority of the media is a false premise which was proven by the 2016 election results. 

Imagine- in theUSA, portraying a campaign rally as a bad thing.  It is a perfect example of what that crowd finds so offensive- after just witnessing strong media and Dem political support for thousands to gather for a cause that turned into a “ war on police-something they find abhorrent.  They see the death of free speech.  Only those who comply can speak. If your words do not match the people with the microphones you are quickly chastise, fired from your job, and in some cases beaten within an inch of their life and they see that with their own eyes every single day.  ( hint- don’t use google to try to find that video)

That has NOTHING to to with POTUS. They saw that before he ever entered the picture. They saw the calls for violence “ what do we want: dead pigs, when do we want them, now” and the POTUS at that one reacted to that with( paraphrasing) I don’t blame them- they are angry.

I could give many more examples.

Lastly, and again this is coming from someone who will not vote for POTUS, you are completely under selling the level of divisive Ness actually being generated intentionally by strong voices in the media. It is in their best interest for tribal politics to stand strong. Everybody has to fall into a group or category. That’s the main reason to exist each morning when they wake up and if you can’t see that I don’t know what to tell you
Notice that I mentioned "in critical states" in my post to which you take so much exception.
You're bringing up race.  I don't think I mentioned it.
A campaign rally, just like a peaceful protest, has the potential to become an angry mob.  POTUS likes to fire up the potential mob by various means suggesting to them that they should rough up any protesters.
Those "fine people" the POTUS praised after the Charlottesville debacle are an example of people he fires up and believe that they are doing his bidding when they physically assault the opposition.  And POTUS never calls them out, never condemns them, because they are his base.
There are millions of people who do not support the POTUS who are not woke, not radicals, not part of cancel-culture.
OTOH, the people lined up in Tulsa to see the POTUS seem to be a bunch of dumb-ass rednecks who are proud that they don't need to wear masks.

POTUS' approval ratings are in the high 30s these days.  I think that's his core support--the "large minority" that I referred to.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5577 on: June 20, 2020, 06:43:06 PM »
your kidding me right? Google?  Your seem like an incredibly intelligent dude to me so I will chalk that on up as a mulligan

I get the point you try to make though. But Google?  That gave me a hearty laugh. Talk about a left leaning censorship flagship.

You may as well get your info and photos from DNC. We could get into a image posting war- but that would just eat up time. 

Use aon.askjeeves.com/overturnroe for the only legit search engine

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« Reply #5578 on: June 20, 2020, 06:43:45 PM »
your kidding me right? Google?  Your seem like an incredibly intelligent dude to me so I will chalk that on up as a mulligan

I get the point you try to make though. But Google?  That gave me a hearty laugh. Talk about a left leaning censorship flagship.

You may as well get your info and photos from DNC. We could get into a image posting war- but that would just eat up time. 

Well, it's this a better source?

https://www.foxnews.com/world/george-floyd-anti-racism-protests-rallies

A sideshow showing overwhelming mask usage.

Compare that to this:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-hold-campaign-rally-in-tulsa

There are a few glimpses of masks, among a sea of non mask wearing in the pictures. 

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« Reply #5579 on: June 20, 2020, 06:49:35 PM »
Use aon.askjeeves.com/overturnroe for the only legit search engine
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« Reply #5580 on: June 20, 2020, 06:50:17 PM »
Notice that I mentioned "in critical states" in my post to which you take so much exception.
You're bringing up race.  I don't think I mentioned it.
A campaign rally, just like a peaceful protest, has the potential to become an angry mob.  POTUS likes to fire up the potential mob by various means suggesting to them that they should rough up any protesters.
Those "fine people" the POTUS praised after the Charlottesville debacle are an example of people he fires up and believe that they are doing his bidding when they physically assault the opposition.  And POTUS never calls them out, never condemns them, because they are his base.
There are millions of people who do not support the POTUS who are not woke, not radicals, not part of cancel-culture.
OTOH, the people lined up in Tulsa to see the POTUS seem to be a bunch of dumb-ass rednecks who are proud that they don't need to wear masks.

POTUS' approval ratings are in the high 30s these days.  I think that's his core support--the "large minority" that I referred to.
Wow.  Dumbass red necks.  I just lost faith in you.  You have to call people names who don’t agree with you. Sad.  Sad for you.

by the way, don’t put words in my mouth.  I never said people who oppose him are Woke.  I said it is the rise of the PC culture, now the Woke culture, that energizes those who are moderates or right leaning. 

and you characterization of what he said about Charlottesville is completely misleading, a snippet taken out of context by the left and assumed to represent reality.  Standard operating procedure.

lastly, I have been watching CBS news, live for the last 45 minutes.  They showed live snippets of the rally crowd, and then the protestors near by, and then other marches/ crowds for Juneteenth.  It was so cleverly coordinated...as they showed people being handed masks at the rally, some putting them on as they were walking in, others refusing them. The cut away super fast from the people wearing them

the majority of nearby protestors against POTUS must be rednecks too, because the overwhelming majority of them were NOT wearing masks.  And then they showed the Juneteenth crowd....it might have been 50/50 on masks.     Those images were cut away from and dispatched quickly.   
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« Reply #5581 on: June 20, 2020, 06:51:34 PM »
Well, it's this a better source?

https://www.foxnews.com/world/george-floyd-anti-racism-protests-rallies

A sideshow showing overwhelming mask usage.

Compare that to this:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-hold-campaign-rally-in-tulsa

There are a few glimpses of masks, among a sea of non mask wearing in the pictures.
See my posts above.  If you catch live feeds, you can see the truth, although they remove it quickly. 
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« Reply #5582 on: June 20, 2020, 07:00:27 PM »
Notice that I mentioned "in critical states" in my post to which you take so much exception.
You're bringing up race.  I don't think I mentioned it.
A campaign rally, just like a peaceful protest, has the potential to become an angry mob.  POTUS likes to fire up the potential mob by various means suggesting to them that they should rough up any protesters.
Those "fine people" the POTUS praised after the Charlottesville debacle are an example of people he fires up and believe that they are doing his bidding when they physically assault the opposition.  And POTUS never calls them out, never condemns them, because they are his base.
There are millions of people who do not support the POTUS who are not woke, not radicals, not part of cancel-culture.
OTOH, the people lined up in Tulsa to see the POTUS seem to be a bunch of dumb-ass rednecks who are proud that they don't need to wear masks.

POTUS' approval ratings are in the high 30s these days.  I think that's his core support--the "large minority" that I referred to.
Also, when has one of his rallies turned violent?  They have been a few case where the Antifa group tried to make it that way, but it has not been an issue.  
 As far as his approval ratings,  I have no idea how that works.  They seem pretty fluid and definitely not dependable, as we all have learned.  I know the approval rating of congress and Media are even lower.  
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« Reply #5585 on: June 20, 2020, 07:32:17 PM »
I'm proud of my fellow Tulsans for failing to fill the 19,000-seat arena, despite the POTUS' claims that over a hundred thousand people had requested tickets.  Local news is showing the same story as those pics on Twitter.  Maybe 12,000 or so in attendance would be my guess.

I was at POTUS' inauguration.  His speech that day--surely one of the worst-ever--was perfectly consistent with how he will campaign this summer.  His claim in the days that followed his inauguration that his crowd was the largest ever, much larger than his predecessor's, was perfectly consistent with the claims he has made about the crowd in Tulsa.  I can hardly wait to hear the explanation for the poor showing.

Wait!  The explanation is already out!  It seems that many thousands of people ordered tickets with no intention of showing up!  Damned libtard snowflakes!
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