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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5502 on: June 20, 2020, 11:15:02 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on June 20, 2020, 06:01:15 AM

Contrary to the narrative we are being fed 24/7, the virus has no political preference- You can get it if you are one of the “millions” of people protesting racial inequality, or you can get it if you’re one of the people at a political rally.

I truly believe there’s something to what he said and that is not a political statement at all.
I like your sentiment here, but just as the virus lacks political preference, it also doesn't recognize the lines on the map.  So yes, it is political, as each state leans one way or the other.  This type of problem needs national leadership and action - a pandemic is probably the #1 thing you can't just tout "states rights!" over, no matter how much that phrase turns you on.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5503 on: June 20, 2020, 11:31:22 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 20, 2020, 10:09:15 AM
I hope it came across that I was making a joke...
Yes.

To "un-joke" it, just replace "kill" with "destroy."
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5504 on: June 20, 2020, 11:37:54 AM »
I think Federal guidance is needed, but I also think states and counties and cities should be able to approach this accordingly.  Montana might not need the same approach as Arizona.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5505 on: June 20, 2020, 12:09:53 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 20, 2020, 11:37:54 AM
I think Federal guidance is needed, but I also think states and counties and cities should be able to approach this accordingly.  Montana might not need the same approach as Arizona.
I would agree if the states were basing it on their unique health situations, rather than their unique political ones
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5506 on: June 20, 2020, 12:14:04 PM »
If we are to have self-government, then we have politics.  The problem isn't our "political system."  The problem is us.  We elect these slack-jawed jackanapes to represent us and lead us.  They tell us blatant falsehoods and we are either too stupid to see the lies or we see the lies and elect them anyway because after all both sides lie and we'd rather have "our" liar in power than "their" liar.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5507 on: June 20, 2020, 12:20:54 PM »
Quote from: ELA on June 20, 2020, 12:09:53 PM
I would agree if the states were basing it on their unique health situations, rather than their unique political ones

I think it is facile to view one or the other political parties and views as relevant here.  California is seeing a major surge.  NY and NJ were the worst states in the Union (now getting better).  I think it has more to do with who got hit earlier versus now.

The five worst states for deaths per capita are NY, NJ, MA, CT, and RI.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5508 on: June 20, 2020, 12:22:34 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 20, 2020, 12:20:54 PM
I think it is facile to view one or the other political parties and views as relevant here.  California is seeing a major surge.  NY and NJ were the worst states in the Union (now getting better).  I think it has more to do with who got hit earlier versus now.

The five worst states for deaths per capita are NY, NJ, MA, CT, and RI.


I just mean that the state by state decisions as how to shut down and when to open up and how have more to do with political pressures than actual data.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5509 on: June 20, 2020, 12:24:29 PM »
And I'd say that is inherent and universal.  Government should be somewhat responsive to its citizenry.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5510 on: June 20, 2020, 12:32:28 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 20, 2020, 12:24:29 PM
And I'd say that is inherent and universal.  Government should be somewhat responsive to its citizenry.
Somewhat?  Sure.  In certain situations.  Not in matters of public health crises.  You aren't an island
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5511 on: June 20, 2020, 12:56:48 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on June 20, 2020, 10:36:01 AM
It's tough to view this rally as anything but a big FU to everyone who has sacrificed over the past few months
As hard as I try to understand other opinions I just can’t understand this one.

Every day for weeks now- we have watched thousands of people gathering in extremely close proximity, arm in arm, holding hands, yelling, screaming. You don’t think those people were a big FU?

as far as POTUS- this has always been his thing. He has never, nor will ever get good press coverage.  His winning formula has been- go right to the people.  What- do you think he should just hide in his basement and take pre-scripted softball questions from a the one media outlet that likes him? He doesn’t have the benefit of 5 of the 6 large media outlet working to get him elected like his opponent does- in fact obviously the opposite. 

Hell- I can’t stand him but that is obvious - his only avenue to win is these rally’s.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5512 on: June 20, 2020, 12:57:41 PM »
What percent of "representatives" don't merely vouch for whoever fills their wallets?  10?  5?

Whoever said money is the root of all evil should've signed the Declaration of Independence.  Money is the reason we have skewed news sources.  Money is the reason our congress is garbage.  Money is the reason our systems are broken.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5513 on: June 20, 2020, 12:59:53 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on June 20, 2020, 12:56:48 PM
Hell- I can’t stand him but that is obvious - his only avenue to win is these rally’s. 
Gatherings of people who are already voting for him?  You think a lot of independent moderates are risking their health to attend Trump's rallies?  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5514 on: June 20, 2020, 01:00:06 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 20, 2020, 12:57:41 PM
What percent of "representatives" don't merely vouch for whoever fills their wallets?  10?  5?

Whoever said money is the root of all evil should've signed the Declaration of Independence.  Money is the reason we have skewed news sources.  Money is the reason our congress is garbage.  Money is the reason our systems are broken.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5515 on: June 20, 2020, 01:00:30 PM »
If I had more confidence that "we" understood this public health crisis better, I would agree.  I don't think we do, a lot of major unknowns remain, a lot of guesswork.

Sweden trails Belgium, UK, Spain, and Italy in deaths per capita at 500 per million.  The US is at 367.  France is at 454.  Maybe their approach was not so horrific after all?  I don't know.  

I see states like NY now reporting few new cases a day, relatively, and wonder if everyone will experience perhaps the same "area under the curve" no matter what they do, aside from some Asian countries.





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