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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4452 on: May 29, 2020, 04:54:55 PM »
It was a huge over-reaction that destroyed the greatest economy the US has ever had (by the numbers) - and the economic destruction that has been wrought because of the ridiculous mass hysteria and over-reaction and over-reach and abuse of government power is going to be far worse than the actual disease- which is deadly for the most part only to the old and immune-compromised. We're talking about something that is maybe 2x more deadly than the flu- something that only mildly affects 99.9% of the young and healthy. Newsflash: old people and the immune compromised die. It's a part of life. No one lives forever. This thing isn't wiping out the young and the mortality rate according to the CDC is .4%. So basically 2-4x worse than the flu. BFD. Get back to me when a disease has a mortality rate of 4%. Then it's a big deal. The kind of lock-downs that were implemented should've only been put in place for something that kills indiscriminately and has a high morality rate- like Ebola or something- which kills everyone equally and has a mortality rate in the 60%'s - not .4%.

What should've happened was the old and immune-compromised been quarantined and the rest of us go about business as normal for the most part. Maybe limit crowds and capacity, ask people to wear masks and wash their hands. Not shut down the entire world for months and wreck peoples lives.

And once again, Italy had the oldest population in the world- and many of them are smokers. The VAST MAJORITY of deaths were the old and immune-compromised there. It's not like this thing was wiping out the young and killing 60% of those who contracted it.
First Bold:  Love to see your source on that.  I can tell you right now that isn't even close to objectively true.

Second Bold:  Love to see your source on that.  I can also tell you for a fact that isn't true.  I've done the math earlier in this thread, as have quite a few other sources, and the death rate is somewhere around 1.5%, give or take 0.5%.  The flu death rate is 0.1%, which means that it is around 15X more deadly.

Third Bold:  Also not true, love to see your source on that.  While some have mild symptoms, around 35% of cases are quite severe.

Fourth Bold:  Obviously this number would not be close to accurate...and yet still 4x deadlier than the flu, which, well, see second bold.  So scientists questioned it.  And: Researchers also lambasted the CDC’s lack of transparency about its data sources. The eight-page document disclosed almost nothing about its numbers, citing only internal data and a preprint — a study that has not been peer-reviewed — led by scientists in Iran.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4453 on: May 29, 2020, 04:55:28 PM »
You need to fly here and show me then all of the other folks also who have pemanantly lost positions and they can't seem to find this satanic plague.People are repeating bullshit with distressing frequency.I'm using my eyes and ears and asking everyone every day.We are not polluted rubes throwing caution to the wind.Must suck to be the rest of the world.Again tune in the riots because that's what's coming
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4454 on: May 29, 2020, 04:55:44 PM »
This is not a very serious disease. It's basically a flu on steroids. The CDC itself says the fatality rate is .4%- and of that- the infection fatality rate is .26%. Basically this thing is anywhere 2-4x worse than the flu. It's bad. Sure. But it's not the end of the world. It's not a disease that is going to kill millions or tens of millions in this country every year. Now THOSE kind of numbers would be devastating. We have too many damn people on this planet as it is. People are living way too long now. It is not sustainable. We need a thinning of the herd.

There should be a large distrust in government, the government has lied and f**ked over the people of this country for, oh, like ever.

So you trust the CDC numbers, right after saying you shouldn't trust the government which lies and f***s the little people over? 


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4455 on: May 29, 2020, 05:04:55 PM »
Literally 94% of the people that died from this disease were 55 or older. And of that 94%- 33% were 85 or older, 27% were 75 to 85, and 21% were 65-74. And of the people that died from this- how many had underlying conditions? Oh yeah like close to 100%. So give me a break about how deadly this thing is. It is killing people that are already old and sick. It isn't wiping out young healthy people.

And forced lock-downs only made it worse for people in nursing homes- who are for the most part 80+ years old and sick. This thing circulates inside crammed homes or buildings where no one leaves far more efficiently than it does outside.

The lock downs did nothing to prevent young healthy people from dying. And all they might've done is make old sick people in nursing homes die faster.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4456 on: May 29, 2020, 05:05:31 PM »
Sweden’s economy grew in the first quarter yoy. HEY WHO KNEW NOT FORCING EVERYONE TO SHUT DOWN WOULDN’T LEAD TO DESTROYING AN ECONOMY!

The idiots who run this country should be lethally injected.
See, I read this, and it makes it harder to take the other posts seriously. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4457 on: May 29, 2020, 05:07:46 PM »

I am afraid that all this craziness and the mishandling of this pandemic will have done is make most people feel like this was nothing but a bunch of bullshit- and the next time there is a disease that is actually deadly serious and actually very lethal- the public will say nah f you guys you cried wolf last time and we’re not buying it.
I feel like going through this, my belief they wouldn't have taken it seriously even if it was the next black death was just reinforced. 

It feels like so many have be disbelieving throughout, that I don't suddenly think they'll have a good grasp when/if it actually is serious. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4458 on: May 29, 2020, 05:10:57 PM »
First Bold:  Love to see your source on that.  I can tell you right now that isn't even close to objectively true.

Second Bold:  Love to see your source on that.  I can also tell you for a fact that isn't true.  I've done the math earlier in this thread, as have quite a few other sources, and the death rate is somewhere around 1.5%, give or take 0.5%.  The flu death rate is 0.1%, which means that it is around 15X more deadly.

Third Bold:  Also not true, love to see your source on that.  While some have mild symptoms, around 35% of cases are quite severe.

Fourth Bold:  Obviously this number would not be close to accurate...and yet still 4x deadlier than the flu, which, well, see second bold.  So scientists questioned it.  And: Researchers also lambasted the CDC’s lack of transparency about its data sources. The eight-page document disclosed almost nothing about its numbers, citing only internal data and a preprint — a study that has not been peer-reviewed — led by scientists in Iran.
All the numbers on the economy are always rigged, so take them with a grain of salt always. But the economy had the best raw rigged numbers of any rigged numbers ever before this shit storm. That is just a fact.

You are smoking something my friend. The fatality rate is nowhere near 1.5%. It is under 1%. Way under 1%. It's .26 to .5% at worst. At worst.

The VAST majority of young healthy people have very little symptoms and recover without need to go to a hospital. 30% - 50% of people that contract it don't even have any symptoms at all.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4459 on: May 29, 2020, 05:11:27 PM »
if you're a teacher and over 65, might be time to retire

teacher's pension can't be that bad

many young teachers looking for jobs
I'm 65 and I'm a teacher.  I was already planning on retiring in a couple of years.  If this coming school year is nothing but "distant-learning" I might retire sooner.
But if we're back "in school," I'll be back at work.  I like my job and the kids I teach.  Even the ones who think that there has been a Second Coming of the Messiah.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4460 on: May 29, 2020, 05:12:04 PM »
So you trust the CDC numbers, right after saying you shouldn't trust the government which lies and f***s the little people over?
I think it's safe to say most trust the CDC far more than say governors, state legislators, government lawyers, law enforcement, Presidents, Senators, or House Reps. The CDC hasn't lied, ripped off, ruined peoples lives.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4461 on: May 29, 2020, 05:13:10 PM »

Note the difference, though... You can't catch heart disease from your neighbor if they cough too close to you.

If you're talking sheer numbers the point still stands.What about the rising suicide ratesThere is plenty of holes in many arguments.I've watched interviews with at least 3 people in the 90s and 1 103 yrs old.That have recovered and were enjoying drinks - it was on the national nightly news.After I've read many credible researchers from science and acedemia can't agree or come to accurate conclusions on any of this.Ya want to fight it take blood thinners and statins - of course you'll have to dial back your alcohol intake as they are not kind to the liver
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4462 on: May 29, 2020, 05:13:23 PM »
See, I read this, and it makes it harder to take the other posts seriously.
It's called a joke. Ever heard of those?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4463 on: May 29, 2020, 05:15:40 PM »
I feel like going through this, my belief they wouldn't have taken it seriously even if it was the next black death was just reinforced.

It feels like so many have be disbelieving throughout, that I don't suddenly think they'll have a good grasp when/if it actually is serious.
Hyperbole much? The black death killed 40-60 million people in Europe and had a fatality rate of 60-70%.

Get back to me when this thing kills 60 million people and has a fatality rate of 70%.

Which is what my entire f&&&king point was. You lock down the world for something like that. For something like this? How about no. You quarantine the old and sick and call it a day and move on.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4464 on: May 29, 2020, 05:16:42 PM »
  Even the ones who think that there has been a Second Coming of the Messiah.
Huh,how'd we miss that?Oh ya hiding in the closet from Covid
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4465 on: May 29, 2020, 05:20:47 PM »
It feels like so many have be disbelieving throughout, that I don't suddenly think they'll have a good grasp when/if it actually is serious.
Even when there is evidence to the contrary.Specially when it increasingly appears the so called "CURE " is worse than the curse.Destroy an economy and people's ability.Sooner or later these tenacles will reach everyone.And Covid will be the least of our worries.Biting off our nose to spite out face seems to be staring us in the face
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