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longhorn320 · « **Reply #4438 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:22:28 PM »

I think a large part of our reaction to this thing is due to listening to the scientists and their models

credit should be given that we started reopening up way before the scientists said we should

thank God for the backbone shown by some state Governors

Mdot21 · « **Reply #4439 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:25:30 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on May 29, 2020, 04:10:17 PM

we have over 100,000 dead so Im not sure there is an over reaction

we will come out of this and our economy will probably be stronger then before by the end of 2021

did we make mistakes yes we did nursing homes being the big one but we will get over this

100,000 dead in a country of 350,000,000. The flu kills 60,000+ people a year in this country. Do we shut down the entire country? No. And who f***ing knows how accurate those numbers are at all. They are most definitely gamed. 1.35 million people die every single year around the world in car accidents. About 40,000 in the US alone. Do people stop driving cars? No. There is inherent risk in being alive. Life wants to kill you. We are all dying every single day. You have to weigh the risks vs consequences and make informed decisions. You can't let panic and hysteria take over. When that happens- you get moronic things like shutting down a society and wrecking an economy and the livelihoods of tens of millions of people, for something that is basically a little bit worse than a flu. I'd say that's a HUGE over-reaction.

You know what is way more serious than coronavirus that almost nothing ever gets done about in this country? Heart disease. 650,000 Americans die every single year because of heart disease. Do we shut down fast food companies? Do we ban soda? Do we ban smoking cigarettes? Do we use government powers to force people to change the way they eat? Does the gov't crack down on big ag and fast food for dumping toxic bullshit into our food? Nope. How about we work on fixing obesity and the bullshit food supply of this country. That is killing more people in this country than coronavirus could ever dream of.

CWSooner · « **Reply #4440 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:30:13 PM »

Quote from: Entropy on May 27, 2020, 09:11:55 AM

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/rankings-and-ratings/10-states-with-the-best-worst-health-infrastructure-during-pandemic.html?utm_content=130205955&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&hss_channel=tw-42664672

10 best and worst states with health infrastructure... not really what I expected.

I didn't expect to see my state at #5.

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Here are the 10 states with the best health infrastructure for COVID-19, according to the analysis:
1. North Dakota
2. West Virginia
3. Mississippi
4. Tennessee
5. Oklahoma
6. Kentucky
7. Alaska
8. Kansas
9. Arkansas
10. Nebraska

Big Beef Tacosupreme · « **Reply #4441 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:31:26 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 29, 2020, 02:26:03 PM

So when it's still going, but we're all acting like it's over and August/Sept rolls around, what's your plan if you're a teacher 65 or older?

Me?

I don't have a plan.

Social distancing is only so effective in America.

1. Large distrust in government.
2. Large distrust in science and expert opinion
3. Lack of a social safety net in events such as this
etc etc etc

This is a very serious disease and it shouldn't be taken lightly.

On the other hand, it has become obvious that America doesn't have the ability to social distance like we need to in order to eliminate this. Sadly, we need to start thinking about ways to live with it until a vaccine is developed.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #4442 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:34:32 PM »

I'd point out Sweden, which is a country that should have tons of demographic advantages over southern Europe and even over the US, is about to pass France to become the 5th-worst nation in the world on the deaths/1M population metric.

If you look at the curves in every nation, every single one of the countries ahead of them have seen daily deaths dwindle to very low numbers, whereas Sweden has not. So... They're going to be catching up to the next group (Spain/UK/Italy) soon. At the current rate, within about 2 weeks they'll have moved "up" to #2 behind only Belgium.

Note that while we state Sweden hasn't "shut down their economy", they have asked their citizens to voluntarily take most of the same precautions that the rest of Europe took--and as we've stated, Swedes actually trust their government and have mostly complied. They're predicting a 7% contraction to GDP despite not taking mandatory steps, so clearly the behavior of Swedes on the ground has been to avoid most of the economic activity they can easily avoid.

I think we have a lot to learn from Sweden. I think we can open our economy back up to similar levels to what they've got, and hopefully can do so without overwhelming the healthcare system. But make no mistake... This thing is a royal shit sandwich even for the Swedes.

FearlessF · « **Reply #4443 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:35:57 PM »

if you're a teacher and over 65, might be time to retire

teacher's pension can't be that bad

many young teachers looking for jobs

Big Beef Tacosupreme · « **Reply #4444 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:37:03 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on May 29, 2020, 04:22:28 PM

I think a large part of our reaction to this thing is due to listening to the scientists and their models

credit should be given that we started reopening up way before the scientists said we should

thank God for the backbone shown by some state Governors

High risk, high reward. Open early and possibly suffer through a 2nd wave, or stay closed too long and suffer further economic hardship.

Also, the risk varies by state. Certainly in PA we are in a completely different situation that Idaho. I think the scientists were spot on here, and we aren't set to open until 6/5.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #4445 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:38:13 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on May 29, 2020, 04:10:17 PM

we have over 100,000 dead so Im not sure there is an over reaction

They were saying this back a few months ago when the medical community had no way of testing that many.Test the living not the dead if with the limited amount of kits that may have not even been accurate.People with conditions die every day.This whole thing has miraculously passed over NE Ohio,I'd go to Church and praise the lord - but it's closed,ya know Covid

Mdot21 · « **Reply #4446 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:40:20 PM »

Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on May 29, 2020, 04:31:26 PM

Me?

I don't have a plan.

Social distancing is only so effective in America.

1. Large distrust in government.
2. Large distrust in science and expert opinion
3. Lack of a social safety net in events such as this
etc etc etc

This is a very serious disease and it shouldn't be taken lightly.

On the other hand, it has become obvious that America doesn't have the ability to social distance like we need to in order to eliminate this. Sadly, we need to start thinking about ways to live with it until a vaccine is developed.

This is not a very serious disease. It's basically a flu on steroids. The CDC itself says the fatality rate is .4%- and of that- the infection fatality rate is .26%. Basically this thing is anywhere 2-4x worse than the flu. It's bad. Sure. But it's not the end of the world. It's not a disease that is going to kill millions or tens of millions in this country every year. Now THOSE kind of numbers would be devastating. We have too many damn people on this planet as it is. People are living way too long now. It is not sustainable. We need a thinning of the herd.

There should be a large distrust in government, the government has lied and f**ked over the people of this country for, oh, like ever.

There isn't a distrust in science or expert opinion. There's a distrust when so called experts are all over the map and talk out of their ass and say one thing one day and then something entirely different just days later. And there should be a huge dose of skepticism of the WHO after the infamous tweet- "NOT TRANSMISSIBLE HUMAN TO HUMAN- DON'T SHUT DOWN CHINESE TRAVEL".

The government could've implemented social safety nets. What did they do? They implemented safety nets for big businesses, and basically told millions of little people to f**k off and fend for themselves. Again, another reason why large amounts of people distrust their government and see right through the bullshit of corrupt, bought and paid for politicians.

There may never even be an effective vaccine for this thing. And even if there is- a vaccine will not make it just go away. It will still be around.

FearlessF · « **Reply #4447 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:41:44 PM »

STORM LAKE, Iowa -- After nearly a quarter of its workers at a Storm Lake pork processing facility tested positive for the novel coronavirus, Tyson announced Thursday that it will temporarily halt operations.

On Thursday, state health officials also confirmed that 555 workers at the plant tested positive for the virus. The vast majority of the plant's roughly 2,400 workers reside in Buena Vista County, which surpassed 700 total COVID-19 cases that same day. If all of the workers who tested positive lived in Buena Vista County, they would account for roughly 80 percent of the Northwest Iowa county's total cases.

Tyson said in a statement that the shutdown is due in part to a delay in COVID-19 testing results and "team member absences related to quarantine and other factors."

Over the next two days, Tyson will idle harvesting animals and finish processing. Additional deep cleaning and sanitizing of the entire facility will be conducted before operations resume later next week, according to the statement.

"The health and safety of our team members, their families and communities is our top priority, and we continue to take all precautions to protect them," Tyson said in the statement.

Obviously, the italicized is BS

MrNubbz · « **Reply #4448 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:44:50 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on May 29, 2020, 04:40:20 PM

This is not a very serious disease. It's basically a flu on steroids. The CDC itself says the fatality rate is .4%- and of that- the infection fatality rate is .26%. Basically this thing is anywhere 2-4x worse than the flu. It's bad. Sure. But it's not the end of the world.

Yup,not peeking from behind the curtains anymore

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #4449 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:45:09 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on May 29, 2020, 04:25:30 PM

The flu kills 60,000+ people a year in this country. Do we shut down the entire country? No.

No, the flu kills about 35-40K people a year in this country. The worst flu season of the last decade was 61K, but it seems everyone wants to make that the baseline.

And note that the flu has several advantages to keep people from contracting it:

We have vaccines for flu strains.
People harbor some natural immunity from past flu infections.
It's believed that the R0 from the flu is lower than from Coronavirus.

As a result, with this being basically a greenfield of infection potential where nobody has immunity, and with R0 higher than the flu, it would be expected that infection rates would be SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the flu, with an infection that's significantly more lethal. That's a bad multiplier.

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And who f***ing knows how accurate those numbers are at all. They are most definitely gamed.

Excess deaths analysis suggest the numbers, if anything, are low.

And this has all happened in 10 weeks, compared to a flu season that is 6+ months long.

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When that happens- you get moronic things like shutting down a society and wrecking an economy and the livelihoods of tens of millions of people, for something that is basically a little bit worse than a flu. I'd say that's a HUGE over-reaction.

If it's only a little worse than the flu, how has it killed 100K people in 10 weeks DESPITE locking everything down?

Do you believe that if we all went on with our lives, taking basically ONLY flu-like precautions (i.e. none), that we'd still be at only 100K now?

Do you think if we were still holding sporting events, people going to work without precautions, people going to bars/restaurants/clubs, that we'd be okay?

Corollary: If you say that you think the infections would have tapered off naturally without a lockdown, then why are they tapering off in every European nation EXCEPT Sweden?

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You know what is way more serious than coronavirus that almost nothing ever gets done about in this country? Heart disease. 650,000 Americans die every single year because of heart disease. Do we shut down fast food companies? Do we ban soda? Do we ban smoking cigarettes? Do we use government powers to force people to change the way they eat? Does the gov't crack down on big ag and fast food for dumping toxic bullshit into our food? Nope. How about we work on fixing obesity and the bullshit food supply of this country. That is killing more people in this country than coronavirus could ever dream of.

We live in a country where people are getting shot for asking store patrons to wear a mask, and you think we're gonna ban cheeseburgers to save people from heart disease?

Note the difference, though... You can't catch heart disease from your neighbor if they cough too close to you.

FearlessF · « **Reply #4450 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:47:44 PM »

or cough into my mouth!

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #4451 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:49:31 PM »

Quote from: MrNubbz on May 29, 2020, 04:38:13 PM

They were saying this back a few months ago when the medical community had no way of testing that many.Test the living not the dead if with the limited amount of kits that may have not even been accurate.People with conditions die every day.This whole thing has miraculously passed over NE Ohio,I'd go to Church and praise the lord - but it's closed,ya know Covid

Yeah, you do that and then every death which is only "probable" because you didn't test, even though it has all the symptoms of COVID-19, get thrown out and suddenly it's "just the flu".

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