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OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #3822 on:** May 14, 2020, 11:49:23 AM »

Seems to me that things would improve if NPR was the only news outlet. Over time, we'd all magically come back closer to each other, politically.
Oh well, one can dream.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #3823 on:** May 14, 2020, 11:53:22 AM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on May 14, 2020, 11:32:59 AM

I don't know so much about that... Fox news is one of the outlets that complains about the mainstream media, so I'm not sure they themselves would identify as MSM.

So this is the thing. Fox News is the undisputed king of cable news and really TV news. If they can't be considered part of that, then we might just have to admit that the MSM is not actually a thing, but a vague illusion that folks complain about.

What I'm saying is, the MSM is never, ever, ever going to make people satisfied. It exists as a vague abstraction to complain about, often in political discussions. No one has a good handle on it. Few people should have a good handle on it because consuming that much TV news is honestly probably not great for you. It exists as an illusion to feed our desire to complain.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #3824 on:** May 14, 2020, 11:55:20 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on May 14, 2020, 11:49:19 AM

Race baiting now I see. Not a very wise or accurate assumption by the way.
take me for example. Well educated, fiercely independent, very biased towards live and let live, well above average understanding of economics ( since that is what my undergrad and grad degrees are in).

i eagerly voted for Obama in his first term. But I did not like his words/ beliefs/ actions. I did. It vote for him the second time. I did however support him because I believe a citizen should support the President.

but their has been data ad nauseam published that shows many people who voted for Obama, especially in the upper middle class suburbs, also voted for Trump.

are you seriously going to say they let his skin color effect their second vote?

No, because I'm not commenting on that group of people. You brought them up, as you're one of them. I'm not going to pretend to know your mind.
Citing race isn't automatically race-baiting. Stop that. Just as you aren't conjuring your opinions from thin air, nor am I with mine. Based on comments, attitudes, and conversations I've had (ie - anectodal data, like yours), there was certainly a good portion of the population that had a problem with having a black president.

If you disagree, I'd love to live in your world.

I also don't find this incendiary or risky of a thread shutdown, we're just conversing.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #3825 on:** May 14, 2020, 11:56:17 AM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on May 14, 2020, 11:47:01 AM

MSNBC panders to the extreme left. Fox panders to the right. And per the below chart, both would be pandering--they inject a lot more opinion/persuasion into their reporting than just reporting facts directly.

CNN is center-left and higher on the "reporting/analysis" spectrum rather than "opinion/persuasion", but not as high or as centrist as outlets like NPR.

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/?v=402f03a963ba

I struggle to pay attention to CNN. You can’t learn anything there. I wanted to see their reaction to the special elections yesterday. They did not cover them. I wanted to get their take on Biden’s alleged assault, since they were 24/7 on the Kavanaugh allegations. They don’t cover it. I wanted to get their reaction about the whole Flynn unmasking and how the Russia collusion narrative is now in question with respect to its origins. They aren’t talking about it. Hell, they won’t even cover personal details of a mass shooter if he is not white.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #3826 on:** May 14, 2020, 11:56:21 AM »

Getting back to the virus

Like it or not we are reopening this country

hopefully in a careful prudent manner but never the less we are reopening

If all the doubters who are not part of the solution just get out of the way and

let the American people save this country we'll get this job done

Cincydawg · « **Reply #3827 on:** May 14, 2020, 11:57:46 AM »

As I repeatedly note, being legally allowed to reopen is a far cry from BEING open. A very far cry.

And that won't change suddenly no matter what governors do.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #3828 on:** May 14, 2020, 11:58:00 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on May 14, 2020, 11:56:17 AM

They aren’t talking about it. Hell, they won’t even cover personal details of a mass shooter if he is not white.

How many of those have there been?

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #3829 on:** May 14, 2020, 11:59:15 AM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on May 14, 2020, 11:56:21 AM

If all the doubters who are not part of the solution just get out of the way and

let the American people save this country we'll get this job done

Is your morning alarm clock set to Hulk Hogan's entrance music?

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #3830 on:** May 14, 2020, 12:00:21 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 14, 2020, 11:55:20 AM

No, because I'm not commenting on that group of people. You brought them up, as you're one of them. I'm not going to pretend to know your mind.
Citing race isn't automatically race-baiting. Stop that. Just as you aren't conjuring your opinions from thin air, nor am I with mine. Based on comments, attitudes, and conversations I've had (ie - anectodal data, like yours), there was certainly a good portion of the population that had a problem with having a black president.

If you disagree, I'd love to live in your world.

I also don't find this incendiary or risky of a thread shutdown, we're just conversing.

There may have been people who had that issue with him. But you assume that people were against his ideas because of that. That is a stretch at best. There is a large crowd of people who just have conservative beliefs about economic matters, freedom, constitution, etc..

I would add, there are plenty of people who are against white politicians too, because of their skin color.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #3831 on:** May 14, 2020, 12:02:50 PM »

How many voters in SC voted against Tim Scott because of his skin color?

How many voted FOR HIM simply because of his skin color?

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #3832 on:** May 14, 2020, 12:03:54 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on May 14, 2020, 12:00:21 PM

There may have been people who had that issue with him. But you assume that people were against his ideas because of that. That is a stretch at best. There is a large crowd of people who just have conservative beliefs about economic matters, freedom, constitution, etc..

I would add, there are plenty of people who are against white politicians too, because of their skin color.

No, I'm saying they were against him without even addressing his ideas/actions.
But you're right, there are people who are blindly against white politicians. They're racist, too...except there are far fewer of them with far fewer money and influence.

And "their party" is nominating another old white person. Just like last time and every time aside from Obama.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #3833 on:** May 14, 2020, 12:05:36 PM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on May 14, 2020, 11:53:22 AM

then we might just have to admit that the MSM is not actually a thing, but a vague illusion that folks complain about.

DING DING DING!!!

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #3834 on:** May 14, 2020, 12:05:52 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on May 14, 2020, 12:02:50 PM

How many voters in SC voted against Tim Scott because of his skin color?

How many voted FOR HIM simply because of his skin color?

I don't know, you'd have to ask them.
Blindly voting or not voting for someone based on race is wrong. However, that can hold true WHILE STILL ACKNOWLEDGING inequalities in how the most qualified person is produced, identified, and nominated.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #3835 on:** May 14, 2020, 12:05:56 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 14, 2020, 11:58:00 AM

How many of those have there been?

Is that important to you? Don’t you find it odd that they go into tremendous details with stories, photos, etc when a mass shooting happens, but if it is not a white person they do the opposite and won’t show a single photo? Can you name a single other news outlet of the big 5 ( CNN, Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC) that does something like that?

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