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Man, potential for reinfection within 6 months/2x per year is... tough to think about.

I've seen several reports that immunity is either short or limited or nonexistent.  I can't say they are true of course, the studies could be flawed.

That would of course be really bad news for the aged and otherwise compromised.

The vaccine story is also confusing, to me.

We simply don't know. The article suggested that the 2003 SARS survivors didn't show antibodies when retested, but did still show T cells, which might help?

Comparing to the common cold [the strains caused by a coronavirus] is unknown whether it's applicable, because the common cold is so mild. Is little immunity generated because it's mild or because it's a coronavirus? 

But yeah, I'm not sure I have a lot of faith in the development of an effective vaccine. 

In short we can respect the virus but not run from it

Nobody knows including the stupid models what will happen when a state opens up with appropriate precautions

one thing is for sure we can not sustain being closed down so we have to make every effort to get back to normal

the question from all the naysayers should not be when to reopen but how to reopen

My post from a couple of pages back talks about this in our area.  Educated, white collar workers that can mostly work from home and have experience with the carnage in Philly want the shut down to continue.  Older people want the shut down to continue.  Younger and middle aged blue collar workers that find themselves out of a job are getting increasingly desperate.

It's a sad state of affairs.  The right choice is to keep this thing shut down for a few more weeks and totally try and eradicate this thing.  But people aren't complying with the stay at home order and there seems to be no end in sight, even if we are finally seeing decreasing numbers.  I don't blame the desperate folks for wanting to get back to work as soon as possible.

Worst part is -- even if we completely open the state back up, the economy isn't going to recover overnight.  Older people (those with money to burn) aren't suddenly flock to restaurants and cruises like they used to.  I already know my business is going to take a huge hit when tax revenues fall well short -- in addition to the hit we are currently taking.

And, yeah, China needs to tighten up.  But now the ball is in our court, and I feel we will be responsible for the second wave.

https://thelogicofscience.com/2020/04/29/shoddy-statistics-and-false-claims-dr-erickson-dangerously-misled-the-public-on-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR1SOcCnxetiDAxbj79cFqQ0X_CFrox4dXJ6IZNE0FyD_NIJfHnkgrOg-MQ

Interesting rebuttal of the two doctors who said we should reopen now.

I’m sure there will be some who continue to insist that these two know what they are talking about because they are doctors, at which point my question becomes, “why trust them?” There are thousands of doctors with far more relevant experience who disagree, so why trust these two? Why cherry-pick them out of all the experts? What makes them more trustworthy than all the other MDs and PhDs? Is it possible that you are blindly believing them not because they have good data (they don’t) or because they are experts (they aren’t) but rather simply because they are saying the things you want to hear? You should carefully consider this possibility, because it is a very easy cognitive trap to fall into.

It's also been pointed out that they are owners of urgent care clinics. Reopening would be in their financial interest. 

Maybe that's not affecting their reasoning, but I would think that the best discussions of reopening would involve epidemiologists and economists, not urgent care clinic owners. 

It's also been pointed out that they are owners of urgent care clinics. Reopening would be in their financial interest.

Maybe that's not affecting their reasoning, but I would think that the best discussions of reopening would involve epidemiologists and economists, not urgent care clinic owners.

I thought this part was interesting, but we've seen a good bit of flocking toward contrarian viewpoints, which CD's quote obviously mentions. 

That's not to say other folks haven't flocked to the most dire projections for certain reasons, but I've come to the point where I always like to think, if this confirms something that makes me comfortable, it's probably the thing I should take the hardest look at. (Not that I always live out that goal)

I thought this part was interesting, but we've seen a good bit of flocking toward contrarian viewpoints, which CD's quote obviously mentions.

That's not to say other folks haven't flocked to the most dire projections for certain reasons, but I've come to the point where I always like to think, if this confirms something that makes me comfortable, it's probably the thing I should take the hardest look at. (Not that I always live out that goal)

Agreed. Confirmation bias is a terrible thing, especially because it's SOOOO easy. 

are we testing for antibodies anywhere besides NY and California

dunno 320, I can't help with any answer to that.