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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2212 on: April 18, 2020, 12:38:52 PM »
The influenza virus is known to mutate rapidly, so we need a new vaccine each year to compensate.  Corona virii generally do not mutate as much.

A vaccine can confer herd immunity.  That is why PH folks clamor for us all to get the flu vaccine each year.  It reduces R naught.

Probably within a decade we will face a much more lethal illness that spreads.  We're too interconnected now.
No one has any idea about whether this virus will behave like the flu

But my point is we deal with the flu without vaccine that is one and done so why not coronavirus

herd immunity may be the only way
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2213 on: April 18, 2020, 12:58:10 PM »
My point is that this is not a member of the influenza family.  To the extent it is similar to the corona family, it may not mutate as much as influenza virus, but we do not know for sure.  A vaccine can provide herd immunity without people getting sick.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2214 on: April 18, 2020, 01:22:25 PM »
What you're basically saying is "understandably, the mob got angry."
That's exactly when it is most important for the law to protect her rights, not be the enforcer for the mob.
Understand this happened in early march and she tested negative.I understand her concern but to say she had it when she may or may not have at one time is not being accurate.This needs to be taken in context of when it actually happened,the population was approaching stampede mode.People in health care/transporting goods(whether foods or meds)/operating Groceries or gas staions/Pharmacies etc.were coming home and finding shelves bare because of individuals like this no matter how innocent the tweet or post - that could escalate the situation.Many of those working had no choice but to come into work while everyone else you and I included cleared of the shelves during a potentially perilous period.Hey thanx precious while sounding an alarm that didn't need to be hit.I know of two people who absolutely felt the had it(not including MDoT here) one was my buddies 22 yrd old son who is a gymn rat.They never sought medical help nor did they stand up on a soap box and decree they were in the grasp of the plague.Had things  IMO got a little worse martial law could be declareded - how would that be for her rights?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2215 on: April 18, 2020, 01:35:45 PM »
Understand this happened in early march and she tested negative.I understand her concern but to say she had it when she may or may not have at one time is not being accurate.This needs to be taken in context of when it actually happened,the population was approaching stampede mode.People in health care/transporting goods(whether foods or meds)/operating Groceries or gas staions/Pharmacies etc.were coming home and finding shelves bare because of individuals like this no matter how innocent the tweet or post - that could escalate the situation.Many of those working had no choice but to come into work while everyone else you and I included cleared of the shelves during a potentially perilous period.Hey thanx precious while sounding an alarm that didn't need to be hit.I know of two people who absolutely felt the had it(not including MDoT here) one was my buddies 22 yrd old son who is a gymn rat.They never sought medical help nor did they stand up on a soap box and decree they were in the grasp of the plague.Had things  IMO got a little worse martial law could be declareded - how would that be for her rights?
It would still violate them

when a law officer comes to your house and threatens to arrest you for what you posted in social media there is a huge problem with the constitution and should not be tolerated
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2216 on: April 18, 2020, 01:36:33 PM »
This guy, no matter if you like him, hate him, or are indifferent to him (me) was never, ever going to get a fair shake from the media, nor from the "other side". He's been under investigation for impeachment since day one, and still is. It's hard to "lead" under those conditions.
That's true.

But you could say the much same thing about the 43rd president.  "Selected, not elected," "illegitimate president," and all that.
Yet 43 behaved much differently than 45 has.
Maybe one's character shows most clearly under pressure.
From Thomas Paine's The American Crisis, Issue No. 1, 23 December 1776, 3 days before the crossing of the Delaware and the capture of Trenton.
The familiar line: "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman."  Too familiar, I fear.  So much so that we seldom think of it.
But then this: "Voltaire has remarked that King William never appeared to full advantage but in difficulties and in action; the same remark may be made on General Washington, for the character fits him. There is a natural firmness in some minds which cannot be unlocked by trifles, but which, when unlocked, discovers a cabinet of fortitude; and I reckon it among those kind of public blessings, which we do not immediately see, that God hath blessed him with uninterrupted health, and given him a mind that can even flourish upon care."
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2217 on: April 18, 2020, 01:55:08 PM »
It would still violate them

when a law officer comes to your house and threatens to arrest you for what you posted in social media there is a huge problem with the constitution and should not be tolerated
There is definately a lot of gray area here.If I knowling am spreading false information that could trigger a very dicey situation from the frying pan and into the fire then maybe I'm a dick who deserves a shit sandwich.I'm not defending the sheriff - if he is a goon but also perhaps you are looking at situation that has somewhat blown over.That AT THAT TIME he couldn't have known.And thankfully it didn't spin out of controll.There were people around here that were very upset they couldn't get the basic staples to everyday life because they were ordered into work.Then people safe in their home released from the hospital are sounding social alarms.Not cool,hope you never come into a situation where you are completely short sheeted of needed supplies/wares because of someone sounding false alarms - and in the end we know that's what it was.Under emegency protocol lets shoot for the greater good if that means not spreading false rumors - so be it.Maybe please with avery strong suggestion next time will suffice
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2218 on: April 18, 2020, 01:59:01 PM »
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2219 on: April 18, 2020, 02:02:29 PM »
Ben Franklin couldn't see Pandemics on social media either,apples/oranges
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2220 on: April 18, 2020, 02:08:41 PM »
Understand this happened in early march and she tested negative.I understand her concern but to say she had it when she may or may not have at one time is not being accurate.This needs to be taken in context of when it actually happened,the population was approaching stampede mode.People in health care/transporting goods(whether foods or meds)/operating Groceries or gas staions/Pharmacies etc.were coming home and finding shelves bare because of individuals like this no matter how innocent the tweet or post - that could escalate the situation.Many of those working had no choice but to come into work while everyone else you and I included cleared of the shelves during a potentially perilous period.Hey thanx precious while sounding an alarm that didn't need to be hit.I know of two people who absolutely felt the had it(not including MDoT here) one was my buddies 22 yrd old son who is a gymn rat.They never sought medical help nor did they stand up on a soap box and decree they were in the grasp of the plague.Had things  IMO got a little worse martial law could be declareded - how would that be for her rights?
But it did not.

The timeline, per the lawsuit:

March 22: Goes to hospital. Send home with inhaler, telling her she had the symptoms but they couldn't test at the time. 

Parents call the school. She goes to instagram and writes:  “Hey guys… sorry I’ve been on a long break.. I wont be back for a while longer due to me no[w] having the COVID-19 virus… I don’t want the attention its just the truth… I am now in self quarantine and am not allow[e]d to leave my room and have an inhaler since they said to go home… best of wishes. love you guys.”

Not highly responsible, but 16-year-olds are what they are

March 25: Goes to a better hospital as symptoms worsen. Family gets call from principal, reiterates situation. 
She's tested, negative, "The doctors told the Cohoons that Amyiah still likely had COVID-19 and had missed the window for testing positive."

March 26: Returns home and writes "I am finally home after being hospitalized for a day and a half. I am still on breathing treatment but have beaten the coronavirus. Stay home and be safe.”

The explanation was that "Sergeant Klump stated that Sheriff Konrath wanted the post removed because there were no confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the county at that time," again, per the lawsuit. 

If true, and obviously that's only one part of the story, it does not seem good nor does it seem particularly justified. The standard for what speech might inspire is justifiably high. People finding out there had been a grocery run likely doesn't get near that bar. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2221 on: April 18, 2020, 02:15:39 PM »
This guy, no matter if you like him, hate him, or are indifferent to him (me) was never, ever going to get a fair shake from the media, nor from the "other side". He's been under investigation for impeachment since day one, and still is. It's hard to "lead" under those conditions.
Perhaps hard, but I thought there was a path (this is more general prescriptions than spacific).

I thought in a country so divided, the key was always going to be to rise above. That meant not addressing the stupid things, and being very calm and boilerplate when dealing with things worth addressing. Leading a whole when taking a pugilistic attitude toward all the noise was going to raise the difficulty level a great deal. Basically, if you dwell on the shake you're getting, you won't lead well. Also being on Ps and Qs to some degree would be key, because if you're fighting an uphill battle, you're going to not want to give yourself setbacks. 

Basically, we all like Mike Leach, but in this kind of situation, you gotta be Paul Chryst. And you have to avoid the Gary Anderson moments. 

(I also found myself thinking that a leader in that spot, who could push though most anything he'd like, might fall on the sward of believing his ideals. If you feel you're in the right and you can, put them into practice, and when they work, the electorate will see their success, in theory)

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2222 on: April 18, 2020, 02:28:34 PM »
Sign me up for Paul Chryst please. Your post is really spot on.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2223 on: April 18, 2020, 02:29:36 PM »
Thats hogwash


To date Madison Wisconsin where the girl lives has over 300 cases and 16 deaths

Did the law pay all of these folks a visit to keep them quiet
She lives in Oxford, WI.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2224 on: April 18, 2020, 02:33:04 PM »
But it did not.

The timeline, per the lawsuit:

I went off the article you posted


Amyiah Cohoon, 16, is a student at Westfield Area High School in Westfield, Wisconsin. According to this lawsuit , she and schoolmates went to Disney World and Universal Studios in Florida for a spring break trip in early March, right as the coronavirus was beginning to spread and businesses began to shut down. She and her classmates canceled the trip early and returned home.

There is alot of gray area,if she is talking to friends inprivate that's one thing if she's on a community board AFTER she tested negative - dick move.But there were no confirmed cases at that time.And the Sheriff shouldn't threaten anyone - I'm on board with that.Things could have gotten worse though.There are layer in this story that could have unfolded differently.had things ramped up(the sheriff couldn't know at that time)and we don't know what the hospital or law enforcement were up against at the time.Suffice to say it wasn't another day at the office.So maybe mom and dad could play parents and not friend.A lot of ERs were inundated with everything,a lot of ill people neededing procedures or attention were put on hold in anticipation of getting staem rolled.This isn't a Rodney King situation
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2225 on: April 18, 2020, 02:37:23 PM »
She lives in Oxford, WI.
Ok fine they have had over 10 cases same question

were these folks visited by the local police
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