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Depending on the size of the sailboat and how often you're tacking and jibing, it's a helluva workout.

Have at it.

Have at it.

Is that yours?  Need a deckhand?

Is that yours?  Need a deckhand?

I have a powerboat about that size, and I'm allowed to use it in Wisconsin (and everywhere else in the country, sans Michigan).

If it wasn't snowing weather, I'd probably be on it right now.

This is what pisses me off about the MSM...

The governor's actual order is publicly posted online and easily accessible from a 5 second google search. I even provided the link.

But we're reduced to arguing about what a newspaper writer did to summarize [badly] the order and put his own spin on it to make it SOUND much more unreasonable than it is. Like somehow powerboating and fishing is uniquely singled out but sailboats (which aren't mentioned) or kayaks are allowed.

I don't want to hear about what you read in the paper if it's easily disputed by reading the actual original source material that is public and available.

It's also worth noting, we have to work to not get our news from the opinion writers. We as a people by and large are poor at that, though admittedly, from a market standpoint, that's why they have opinion writers (well, that and tradition). 

But, this is (in my opinion) off the rails, for no reason really, other than to make me look bad for typing what I read. Nothing that I posted was WRONG.

Not trying to make you look bad, Badge. I asked what people considered unreasonable about the order--and posted a link to the order. 

I think a "stay at home" order suggests that if you want to go tool around on your boat, unless you live on it, is not a valid exception to a stay at home order. 

Michigan may have erred in adding sailboats to the list, but it was an exception that was tied to the outdoor physical activity exception, not because the governor just really loves sailing and hates powerboats... 

Depending on the size of the sailboat and how often you're tacking and jibing, it's a helluva workout.

That can be true, but there are a lot of things that can be a workout without working out being a primary reason for the activity. So I think it's a loophole.

There is a BIG difference in not allowing vacation rentals or camping versus banning people from going to a property that they actually own, and have constitutional rights to.

Maybe so. Maybe it'll be challenged in court and the governor will lose.

You do understand the intent, though, right? The goal is to prevent unnecessary spread of disease. Rural communities with a lot of unoccupied houses probably don't have very many cases right now. A bunch of suburban Detroit folks flocking to them might change that. 

I'm sure if people were being responsible, loading up their cars with all the necessary supplies for a several week stay at their vacation home, and then faithfully observing the stay-at-home restrictions once they got there, there'd probably be no reason for this part of the order. My guess, however, is that people were being dumbasses, driving out to their rural vacation home, going to 3-4 stores to get all their supplies, interacting with the locals, etc, and I'll bet the locals got pissed.

I'd also mention there's one additional possible reason for a sailboat exception...

I'd guess that a much larger percentage of sailboats compared to powerboats/jet skis/etc are docked rather than towed. It's much harder to tow/launch a 23' sailboat with a massive keel on it than a 20' ski boat or a little fishing skiff.

So it's more likely that someone going sailing won't need to use a boat launch. That might not be true for guys like Badge who have much larger boats and leave them docked in a marina, but I'm guessing powerboats of his size are a MUCH smaller number compared to the powerboats most recreational owners are using.

If a big part of the issue was people being dumbasses at boat launches, this might explain part of why sailboats are excluded.

Not trying to make you look bad, Badge. I asked what people considered unreasonable about the order--and posted a link to the order.

I think a "stay at home" order suggests that if you want to go tool around on your boat, unless you live on it, is not a valid exception to a stay at home order.

Michigan may have erred in adding sailboats to the list, but it was an exception that was tied to the outdoor physical activity exception, not because the governor just really loves sailing and hates powerboats...
That can be true, but there are a lot of things that can be a workout without working out being a primary reason for the activity. So I think it's a loophole.
Maybe so. Maybe it'll be challenged in court and the governor will lose.

You do understand the intent, though, right? The goal is to prevent unnecessary spread of disease. Rural communities with a lot of unoccupied houses probably don't have very many cases right now. A bunch of suburban Detroit folks flocking to them might change that.

I'm sure if people were being responsible, loading up their cars with all the necessary supplies for a several week stay at their vacation home, and then faithfully observing the stay-at-home restrictions once they got there, there'd probably be no reason for this part of the order. My guess, however, is that people were being dumbasses, driving out to their rural vacation home, going to 3-4 stores to get all their supplies, interacting with the locals, etc, and I'll bet the locals got pissed.

Good intentions do not trump my rights. This is what is upsetting people. The government in Michigan and other states is telling adults what they may or may not do. I understand the need to keep your distance from others, but why not address that and not just ban life in general?  I don't accept a "stay at home order" as legitimate. 

If others want to hide and cower over a virus, that I still contend when all is said and done will be no more deadly than the average flu, that is your right. However, I don't believe in giving up any more freedoms because people are afraid of results of a model that has yet to be anywhere near accurate. 

A quarantine is when they prevent sick people from moving around. To lock down healthy people is Tyranny. If you can't tell the difference, that is on you.