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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1988 on: April 16, 2020, 11:21:47 AM »
Communism is awesome for anyone on the Central Committee.  Just make sure you're one of those dudes.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1989 on: April 16, 2020, 11:23:46 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on April 16, 2020, 11:17:40 AM
I didn't read anything about boats in her order... And a text search for "boat" or "fish" returns zero results. So I'm not sure what that's about.

In the Michigan of ..... (edit to remove reference to name) — you can’t buy tomato plants for your backyard garden. You may float along in a sailboat or kayak, but if a laid-off auto worker dares take his motorized bass boat out for some solitary fishing, he is in violation.

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Yesterday's Tribune. John Kass article.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1990 on: April 16, 2020, 11:29:37 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 16, 2020, 11:23:46 AM

In the Michigan of ..... (edit to remove reference to name) — you can’t buy tomato plants for your backyard garden. You may float along in a sailboat or kayak, but if a laid-off auto worker dares take his motorized bass boat out for some solitary fishing, he is in violation.

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Yesterday's Tribune. John Kass article.
So... Do you trust the Chicago Tribune? Or do you trust the governor's order? 

Here is the text related to a kayak:



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Individuals may leave their home or place of residence, and travel as necessary:
 
  • To engage in outdoor physical activity, consistent with remaining at least six feet from people from outside the individual’s household. Outdoor physical activity includes walking, hiking, running, cycling, kayaking, canoeing, or other similar physical activity, as well as any comparable activity for those with limited mobility.

Nothing about pleasureboating of any sort, i.e. sailboat OR powerboat. It's only relating to exercise.

Nowhere is powerboat or fishing called out in the order, of course. Because you can't do those from your house and you're supposed to stay at home. Exercise is an declared exception, powerboating is not an exception. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1991 on: April 16, 2020, 11:32:47 AM »
Yeah, not being able to buy seeds and supplies for a garden is one I don’t understand.

I kinda get the home improvement aspect of it (although I don’t like it) but what about home repairs? We had some pretty good storms come through here a few nights ago that took some trees down.  In Michigan, they have tools and chainsaws blocked off at stores so that they can’t be purchased. That seems extreme.

People for the most part have been pretty understanding about having some liberties taken away.  That understanding will have an expiration date though.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1992 on: April 16, 2020, 11:32:54 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 16, 2020, 11:21:47 AM
Communism is awesome for anyone on the Central Committee.  Just make sure you're one of those dudes.
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao

You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow"

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1993 on: April 16, 2020, 11:33:27 AM »
This is what pisses me off about the MSM...

The governor's actual order is publicly posted online and easily accessible from a 5 second google search. I even provided the link.

But we're reduced to arguing about what a newspaper writer did to summarize [badly] the order and put his own spin on it to make it SOUND much more unreasonable than it is. Like somehow powerboating and fishing is uniquely singled out but sailboats (which aren't mentioned) or kayaks are allowed. 

I don't want to hear about what you read in the paper if it's easily disputed by reading the actual original source material that is public and available. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1994 on: April 16, 2020, 11:37:51 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1995 on: April 16, 2020, 12:00:49 PM »
Nothing in the actual order addressed sailing: https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-525182--,00.html

It appears in the FAQ of the order: https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98178_98455-525278--,00.html?fbclid=IwAR1DgWnPLw33QILSX4zxi7uq5Ufic56YufPjhHaxowZSzEFWENDMvmFBKkA


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Q: Does boating constitute “outdoor activity” under the new executive order?

A: Physical outdoor activity like kayaking, canoeing, and sailing is permitted under the order, but using a motorboat, a jet ski, or other similar watercraft is not. Any outdoor activity permitted under the order, including boating, must be done in a manner consistent with social distancing, and individuals should use only their own equipment to prevent the transmission of the virus through the touching of shared surfaces. Additionally, in accordance with section 2 of the order, persons not part of a single household may not boat together. 


And in the FAQ on the Dept of Natural Resources page: https://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,4570,7-350-79137_79770_98926---,00.html

It goes on with more detail on the reason for the change:


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The DNR has received many reports about heavy use of boat launches across the state and the subsequent congregation of people at these launches in violation of social distancing requirements, and in a manner that threatens public health. In addition, people who use motorized watercraft typically need to procure secondary services for their craft, such as parts and gasoline, that could unnecessarily increase contact with others and spread disease. The hope is that the prohibition on the use of motorized watercraft will reduce the movement of, and contact among, people with the intent of slowing the spread of the coronavirus.
So it appears that sailing might be an exception on the grounds that it is an "outdoor physical activity".


I personally feel that's BS... Most sailboats aren't used for exercise, in the way that canoes and kayaks are. And frankly using a jet ski, or waterskiing behind a powerboat, could legitimately be called exercise. So I'm not sure why sailboats are included in the FAQ as an exception but not called out in the order. 

But almost more importantly, it sounds like the change was based upon the reports of people being dumbasses at boat launches.

Dumbasses, as usual, ruin it for the rest of us. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1996 on: April 16, 2020, 12:02:56 PM »
It would have been nice if the writers of the ClickOnDetroit web site had, you know, LINKED to those FAQs I just provided above. 


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1997 on: April 16, 2020, 12:20:45 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1998 on: April 16, 2020, 12:26:08 PM »
Anyone ever try to move a sailboat with no wind to propel it?

Anyone ever try to dock a sailboat without using an engine?

Anyone ever hear of short-sighted? 

Sailboats need fuel too.


But, this is (in my opinion) off the rails, for no reason really, other than to make me look bad for typing what I read. Nothing that I posted was WRONG. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1999 on: April 16, 2020, 12:28:22 PM »
Depending on the size of the sailboat and how often you're tacking and jibing, it's a helluva workout.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2000 on: April 16, 2020, 12:28:57 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on April 16, 2020, 12:02:56 PM
It would have been nice if the writers of the ClickOnDetroit web site had, you know, LINKED to those FAQs I just provided above.



The Governor has protests in the streets

She needs to address these misconceptions you point out if in fact they are misconceptions

The one thing she should not do is tell the people that protesting is illegal 

that only pisses them off more
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2001 on: April 16, 2020, 12:29:01 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on April 16, 2020, 11:17:40 AM
The vacation home thing is exactly what @Kris60 was complaining about... People fleeing Detroit, the most impacted area, and potentially spreading the infections with them to the less populated areas of the state. Isn't that basically done to protect the tourist areas from seeing spikes in cases?
There is a BIG difference in not allowing vacation rentals or camping versus banning people from going to a property that they actually own, and have constitutional rights to.
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