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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1176 on: April 04, 2020, 04:43:50 PM »
I don't think China can genuinely have any kind of PR problem.
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Its citizens: don't like it, shut up or you're dead.
Other countries (including us): don't like it, okay, we'll stop sending you all of the things you need to exist.
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China can shrug anything off.
This isn’t true. At all. The Chinese economy has been tanking for months because of this. This will be by the worst economy China has seen since the ‘80s when off-shoring began and foreign investment began pouring into their country in droves and their economy exploded into the stratosphere.

China is in the midst of a massive PR problem and they are doing everything they can to spin the narrative and save face.

The U.K. is going to terminate its deal with Huawei to build its new 5G networks over this. Other EU countries are talking about doing the same.

US multinationals are expediting their exit strategies to pull production out of China and US lawmakers are openly talking about going after China and moving production of essential things like pharmaceuticals and medical equipment back to US soil permanently.

This will be devastating for China and it’ll accelerate the rise of Mexico as the western worlds next low cost manufacturing hub.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1177 on: April 04, 2020, 04:45:26 PM »
Ohio also has SPACE.  NYC does not.
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There is plenty of space in an around New York.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1178 on: April 04, 2020, 04:46:33 PM »
Yup, Thailand and Vietnam and Taiwan will benefit from this, to the extent they have not already.  The supply chain analysis is going to change for a lot of companies.  At least for a while.  China might undercut everyone and horn back in over time.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1179 on: April 04, 2020, 04:47:52 PM »
How expensive would it be to have more hospital ships  on standby?  They would be spartan crewed most of the time, going out on occasion for practice and drills, and when an emergency hits, MDs are called in from reserves for spot treatment as needed.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1180 on: April 04, 2020, 04:49:54 PM »
 China might undercut everyone and horn back in over time.
That might be the only card they have left to play.That or War
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1181 on: April 04, 2020, 04:55:04 PM »
Who would China invade if they resorted to war?  Vietnam?  Taiwan?  Thailand?  Not really an ideal scenario for them.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1182 on: April 04, 2020, 04:56:18 PM »
Yup, Thailand and Vietnam and Taiwan will benefit from this, to the extent they have not already.  The supply chain analysis is going to change for a lot of companies.  At least for a while.  China might undercut everyone and horn back in over time.
Not sure that China can horn back in. The exit from the big US/Euro/UK multinationals was already underway.  

Property values have gone up so much, wages in China have risen so much over the past 30 years, and pollution had gotten so bad that the government finally had to step in and set up some form of environmental regulations- that those three things combined with the Trump China tariffs we’re already making it ever more expensive to produce there that companies were already either leaving or planning to leave. All this coronavirus bullshit did was just expedite all of their plans to pull out. All that’s going to happen is they are all just going to pull out a lot faster than planned. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1183 on: April 04, 2020, 04:59:02 PM »
847- you are asking the right questions. It irritates some because it doesn’t fit a political narrative. 

Look, I work in a midsize to small community bank. I am responsible for two lines of business so only about 100 people. We were prepared for this in terms of having the equipment the processes the procedures and protocols to work from home very quickly. If we were not I would’ve lost my job very quickly. Why? Because we practiced for this type of situation. That’s right a pandemic, A hurricane, civil unrest etc.

Please don’t tell me that any major hospital in this country is not absolutely required to have a pandemic plan which includes all of the equipment, masks, ventilators, etc.  Just buy the evidence you’ve presented badge, it proves that some were very well prepared for this and some are not. In looking at this from the “what went wrong standpoint and “it starts right there in the local hospitals in the local governments and not at the top as some would have you believe. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1184 on: April 04, 2020, 04:59:47 PM »
Who would China invade if they resorted to war?  Vietnam?  Taiwan?  Thailand?  Not really an ideal scenario for them. 
They know this. They have no means to get their massive Army anywhere.

On offense, I think you'd have to start by destroying their resources in the South China Sea. I'm sure the other countries around there would lend a hand.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1185 on: April 04, 2020, 05:04:45 PM »
They know this. They have no means to get their massive Army anywhere.

On offense, I think you'd have to start by destroying their resources in the South China Sea. I'm sure the other countries around there would lend a hand.
Maybe they’d try to invade Australia? Australian politicians by the way are just as pissed off at China as US, EU, U.K. politicians are. Probably more actually.

I’m with you, first plan of attack would be to destroy all the man made islands and military bases they’ve built up in the South China Sea.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1186 on: April 04, 2020, 05:07:09 PM »
China has next to zero ability to "project power".  Sending troops somewhere across water is difficult, basically only the US can manage this at any decent scale.

Anyone else who tried would be in trouble on logistics aside from moving enough troops.  GB and France can move about a brigade sized unit if we help.

This is the main reason the US spends so much on "defense".

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1187 on: April 04, 2020, 05:08:38 PM »
This isn’t true. At all. The Chinese economy has been tanking for months because of this. This will be by the worst economy China has seen since the ‘80s when off-shoring began and foreign investment began pouring into their country in droves and their economy exploded into the stratosphere.

China is in the midst of a massive PR problem and they are doing everything they can to spin the narrative and save face.

The U.K. is going to terminate its deal with Huawei to build its new 5G networks over this. Other EU countries are talking about doing the same.

US multinationals are expediting their exit strategies to pull production out of China and US lawmakers are openly talking about going after China and moving production of essential things like pharmaceuticals and medical equipment back to US soil permanently.

This will be devastating for China and it’ll accelerate the rise of Mexico as the western worlds next low cost manufacturing hub.
I think you're ignoring the fact that China is going to own about 99 cents of every new dollar made in the middle east and Africa in the next 20-50 years.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1188 on: April 04, 2020, 05:10:28 PM »
. In looking at this from the “what went wrong standpoint and “it starts right there in the local hospitals in the local governments and not at the top as some would have you believe.
It's not either/or.  Stop that.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1189 on: April 04, 2020, 05:10:54 PM »
I think you're ignoring the fact that China is going to own about 99 cents of every new dollar made in the middle east and Africa in the next 20-50 years. 
I don't understand this.  If a new dollar is made in the Middle East, why wouldn't the ME country own it?

 

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