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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6818 on: July 14, 2020, 11:36:21 AM »
Kinda, but not really. All of these kids (and also some adults) are out, acting like there is no pandemic. Then, they get together with family/friends who are older and more susceptible to illness. That's the big problem.
and they have been warned over and over again 

they made the choice

which is where the law of natural selection arrives on the scene
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6819 on: July 14, 2020, 11:38:13 AM »
This is the worst thing about the whole close down thing. I haven't been out to see live music, when I usually go out at least once a week. Worst being relative to me and not the rest of the people. As they say first world problems.
I dont have this dim of view

we will get over this and while some things will take time to return I feel the Austin music scene will be one of them
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6820 on: July 14, 2020, 11:41:20 AM »
and they have been warned over and over again

they made the choice

which is where the law of natural selection arrives on the scene
Grandma didn't make the bad choice - the kids did.

I've noticed more and more my two boys are hanging out with friends, and all that. We're not seeing them much, and when we do, it's outside and spaced.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6821 on: July 14, 2020, 11:58:27 AM »
Grandma didn't make the bad choice - the kids did.

I've noticed more and more my two boys are hanging out with friends, and all that. We're not seeing them much, and when we do, it's outside and spaced.
All the neighborhood kids hang out, that's including from elementary level to college level since most of the college kids are home now while campuses figure out how they're going to manage the Fall. The kids are entirely over it.  It's hard for me to blame them, I'm over it too but I have a lot more responsibility including seeing my aging parents. I allow my kids to hang out with a handful of their friends, whose parents I know and we are like-minded.

My wife has to go into work every single day, meeting new patients with hands-on 1-on-1 care.  They all wear face masks, are required to take temperatures, wash hands all of the time, but she's still the largest threat vector for our family.  So visits with our parents are outside, and distanced.  I haven't hugged my folks since late February, nor have my kids.  It sucks but it's better than spreading the coronas.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6822 on: July 14, 2020, 12:19:57 PM »
Percentage-wise, you're absolutely correct.  Who wants to sign up to explain that to every child that does die because they went to school?  The hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands. 


With such a large sample size, those tiny percentages sure do equate to large whole numbers.
Wasn't it you who just a few days ago was posting about how children who are staying home are getting molested by their creepy uncles and everything?
I'm not just trying to expose your inconsistency (although that is a bonus), but pointing out that there are no perfect solutions, and that children are at some certain risk (along with everybody else) no matter what course we take.
We don't have "obviously great" and "obviously terrible" options from which to choose.  We have "bad" and "maybe a little less bad, but possibly a little more bad" as our options.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6823 on: July 14, 2020, 12:37:39 PM »
We don't have "obviously great" and "obviously terrible" options from which to choose.  We have "bad" and "maybe a little less bad, but possibly a little more bad" as our options.
And to be honest, even if you agree that a certain politician is advocating to reopen schools for purely self-serving political ends, that doesn't mean we shouldn't open schools just because He wants it

The balancing test should be choosing the least bad option. 

I'm not convinced that a year of distance learning is the least bad option, for MANY reasons. On a personal level, I don't think it's the least bad option for my kids. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6824 on: July 14, 2020, 12:43:24 PM »
And to be honest, even if you agree that a certain politician is advocating to reopen schools for purely self-serving political ends, that doesn't mean we shouldn't open schools just because He wants it.

The balancing test should be choosing the least bad option.

I'm not convinced that a year of distance learning is the least bad option, for MANY reasons. On a personal level, I don't think it's the least bad option for my kids.

Same here.  The online schooling last Spring, for my kids, was an absolute disaster. 

Have we seen any further studies from places that have reopened schools, on how common child-to-child infection is, and also how common child-to-teacher and child-to-parent transmission is?  It seems like globally, we should have some evidence piling up in one direction or another, by now.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6825 on: July 14, 2020, 12:52:06 PM »
I should point out that the OC board of schools just announced that neither masks nor physical distancing will be a requirement. That, IMHO, is a mistake. 

The kids' in the charter school is saying that they're going to offer both in-person 5 day a week learning and 5 day a week online option. Luckily, the ex and I both agree that we want in-person learning. They're talking about things like staggered start times to avoid a lot of congregation, and I think there will be a lot of parents who choose online, which will make distancing easier on those who are in person. And whether the school mandates masks or not, I am mandating masks for my kids and I will email the teachers at the beginning of the year to let them know that if the kids aren't complying that I expect them to email me and let me know. 

For the one in the special ed program it's TBD... He's the one that needs in-person schooling the most IMHO, but he's in a different school district and it's today unclear what their plans are. 

I do find it interesting the number of people I see on social media who are just terrified to send their little precious babies to school... Must be nice. I am able to WFH, but I can't support their education that well because I'm WFH. My wife goes to the office every day. I don't trust my ex to be a good substitute teacher on her best day. And then we'd have to balance how we handle coordinating their education across multiple households. 

All these Real Housewives of the OC may be able to be substitute teachers, but if I'm asked to do it the kids might as well write off the school year. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6826 on: July 14, 2020, 12:52:18 PM »
I think a hybrid model could work. 3 on, 2 remote, then 2 on, 3 remote. Sanitize every night, of course. This would help to maintain distancing in the classrooms. For every 10 school days, you get 5 days in-person and 5 days remote.

This has to be juggled with how home supervision would look, with parents working and such.

I have not talked to one person who thought the remote learning was good. Most say bad, or worse than bad. I think being in for half the time will help greatly. Not only from a learning standpoint, but from a social standpoint.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6827 on: July 14, 2020, 12:54:48 PM »
I feel for you guys with kids to manage and jobs to manage.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6828 on: July 14, 2020, 12:59:32 PM »
I feel for you guys with kids to manage and jobs to manage.
Yep I feel very lucky to be past that
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6829 on: July 14, 2020, 01:00:58 PM »
if it were me the minute they hit the door from school Id take their temp and might even send them up for a bath
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6830 on: July 14, 2020, 01:03:20 PM »
I have not talked to one person who thought the remote learning was good. Most say bad, or worse than bad. I think being in for half the time will help greatly. Not only from a learning standpoint, but from a social standpoint.
Remote learning was a joke

However, the claim is that things would be much different. There would be much more scheduled learning where students were expected to be logged an at specific times for instruction. That's a lot different than the end of the last school year where they might have a 30 minute Zoom meeting once a day--not always every day--and the rest of it was very self-directed. 

But that much structure creates its own problems. What if I have to go into the office or to a customer site and need to leave the kids at their drop-in daycare? Will they be able to do their assignments from there? 

Half in, half out is better than nothing, academically, but is it going to make any meaningful difference to the potential spread of COVID? To some extent I feel like if you're in for a penny, you're in for a pound. I much prefer the parent's choice of all-in or all-out.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6831 on: July 14, 2020, 01:05:18 PM »
if it were me the minute they hit the door from school Id take their temp and might even send them up for a bath
When we get them from their mom for a 5-day stretch, the first thing we do is take their temp. 

And even before this, they were taught a LONG time ago that when you get home, the very first thing you do is wash your hands. Do not pass Go, do not pet the dog, do not touch anything... Wash your damn hands. 

 

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