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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5054 on: June 08, 2020, 03:04:41 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on June 08, 2020, 03:02:07 PM
Take it to the politics board.  We're done discussing it here.  Thank you for your support.
Take your attitude to some other board.  There is a shit ton of political posts that name names and break all of the rules. 
and you pick mine to talk like that? 

unacceptable 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5055 on: June 08, 2020, 03:11:50 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 08, 2020, 09:03:32 AM
There are experts who do think otherwise.
The key word is *think*.

Zero evidence.

On the other hand, multiple studies confirm the virus as most likely natural.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5056 on: June 08, 2020, 03:15:47 PM »
Now that we are heading back, I've looked into Illinois' numbers and things are trending down, as far as cases go. Deaths are a little harder to trend. It's kinda all over the place. 

There were a shit-ton of HUGE protests lately, so it will be interesting how that shakes out- particularly in the City.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5057 on: June 08, 2020, 03:16:28 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on June 08, 2020, 03:04:41 PM
Take your attitude to some other board.  There is a shit ton of political posts that name names and break all of the rules.
and you pick mine to talk like that?

unacceptable
 I chose your post to respond to, because it was the most recent one.  But your response was unwarranted and aggressive. 

So now I'll match your tone-- get bent.  I'll be deleting political posts on this thread.  Don't like it?  Go somewhere else.

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utee94

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5058 on: June 08, 2020, 03:18:57 PM »
I just deleted political posts on this page and the previous one.  If any of you feel the need to discuss politics, do it elsewhere.  There's an entire forum for it, on this very site, at the bottom of the front page.  Go knock yourselves out.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5059 on: June 08, 2020, 03:19:31 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on June 08, 2020, 03:11:50 PM
The key word is *think*.

Zero evidence.

On the other hand, multiple studies confirm the virus as most likely natural.
"Likely"


Another key word, and certainly one I wouldn't use in the same sentence with the word "confirm".

There is nothing confirmed about this virus, aside from the fact China knowingly and willingly unleashed it on the world.

Until I see complete consensus on the matter, I will continue to hold out the possibility is was created/altered in a lab. I'm not closing any doors. Too early for that still.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5060 on: June 08, 2020, 03:24:40 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on June 08, 2020, 03:11:50 PM
The key word is *think*.

Zero evidence.

On the other hand, multiple studies confirm the virus as most likely natural.
So nothing AGAIN BBTS? 1.4 BILLION with an axe to grind couldn't come up with a nefarious concoction because you keep repeating "Zero Evidence"  like the Rain Man "wanna watch Wapner".You have no proof just opinions
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5061 on: June 08, 2020, 03:28:15 PM »
I'm surprised a large company would be impacted by a minimum wage at all.  We did not have any employees making anywhere remotely near even $15 and hour.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5062 on: June 08, 2020, 03:29:14 PM »
@Big Beef Tacosupreme 

Take it to some other thread.  Perhaps the 2020 shit-show stream of thought thread.  I'll give you a minute to copy your thoughts, and then I'm deleting the post.

Thank you for your support.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5063 on: June 08, 2020, 03:34:22 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 08, 2020, 02:54:06 PM
That's what I'm trying to figure out. New case rates are pretty flat nationally at 20K+/day. Deaths were on a downward trend for 5 weeks, paused a week, and now appear to be headed further down.

In California, new case rates are increasing, but deaths are holding constant and haven't changed much in the last 6 weeks.

I can see two possibilities:

  • Doctors are becoming more effective at treating the severe cases or stopping the moderate cases from deteriorating to severe, so despite the cases we're doing better at treatment.
  • Because we're ramping up testing, we're catching more of the mild cases so we're adding cases without high likelihood of death.

If it's #1, that's good in general. Because that means that if infections start rising again after reopening, we can hopefully keep the impact of those infections from being dire.

If it's #2, that might be an indication that social distancing is working (because we're seeing reduced deaths, i.e. we're actually improving the situation) but that case rates are holding steady due to increased testing. If that's the case, reopening might have bad effects.


number 3 might be the virus is getting weaker
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5064 on: June 08, 2020, 03:50:35 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on June 08, 2020, 10:37:21 AM
Hmmm.  I will have to think about your points.
ObamaCare did not help me any.  My costs went up.  I realize that that doesn't necessarily make it bad policy.
The individual mandate was the worst thing about it.  Suddenly, the federal government was making its citizens purchase a product that they didn't necessarily want or need as the cost of being an American citizen.  IMO, that was wrong on principle.
And, IMO, it was wrong when SCOTUS decided that it was not a mandate but merely a tax.  I think that John Roberts caved on that for political reasons.  A different Justice Roberts, first name Owen, in the 1937 case of West Coast Hotel v. Parrish, reversed his own previous vote in a similar case.  It was perceived to have been an attempt to defuse the appeal of FDR's "court-packing plan."  A humorist called it "the switch in time that saved nine."
Another reason that I opposed it was that it was quite obvious that it was intended as a step toward total government control of health-care insurance.  A step toward "single-payer," as Obama and others admitted at times when they didn't think they were on camera.
So, as I saw it then, and still do, it was a bad policy and a dishonest policy in that it was not intended to fix problems but rather to pave the way for even more government involvement.
Now, without the individual mandate, it is just yet another federal program that we can't pay for and is digging us deeper and deeper into national debt.
See posts above as to why your costs probably went up.

I do not think this was a step toward single payer.  Quite the opposite, actually.  Remember, this was a republican plan, and it was designed to increase competition.  There is nothing in it that remotely resembles single payer.

Now, when the law was first being negotiated, there was going to be a "public option" -- a government insurance plan that would compete with private insurance.  This was voted down and never enacted into law.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5065 on: June 08, 2020, 03:52:42 PM »
Move that one too please. To the stream thread, along with the new thread you made.

I'm with UTee on keep this thread clean, moving forward.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5066 on: June 08, 2020, 03:55:52 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 08, 2020, 03:52:42 PM
Move that one too please. To the stream thread, along with the new thread you made.

I'm with UTee on keep this thread clean, moving forward.
I made that one by splitting topics  but it was BBTZ's post so he shows as the author.  I would move the post above over there too, if I could remember how.  Can you split posts to an already-existing thread?  Or does it always create new?  Not sure...
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5067 on: June 08, 2020, 03:56:29 PM »
I am still leaning to thinking we'll have CFB this year, pretty much as usual, with face masks probably.  "We" are learning some critical things about transmission of this thing obviously.  The fear it could live on surfaces for a hundred years is dispelled.  The fear hospitals would be overrun.  The fear the mortality rate would be 10% or more.  The fear that seeing on TV could make you get it.  The fear the economy would completely collapse and we'd have street riots.  

I think we're in OK shape on this one.
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