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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4956 on: June 07, 2020, 10:01:33 PM »
It was a rudementary one a precursor on the cusp.Either way who'd thunk
It was a best an IRBM.  And it could not have listed a first gen A bomb at all.

An Ohio class sub has 24 SLBMs,  each of which could carry 10 warheads, each 50 X more powerful than Nagasaki.

And we have ten of them ....

One sub, 240 Nagasakis times 50.  Ouch.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4957 on: June 07, 2020, 10:06:26 PM »
We should explode one of those and measure - i'm not taking their word for it
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4959 on: June 07, 2020, 10:49:31 PM »
That's a reasonable response,but if there are man made cures there could be man made curses.In 1939 who would have thought by 1945 there would be jet propulsion and an ICBM in the form of the V-2s from a nation of 75 million?Yet that same nation had a an assembly line for killing innocents wholesale.What could be expected to from a country of 1.4 billion today with access to some of the same technology we possess
So you're saying you believe it's man-made? Or you just consider that in the realm of possibilities? 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4960 on: June 07, 2020, 10:56:00 PM »
The people who think it's man-made want it to be man-made.  The time to believe something is when the evidence exists to believe it.  This is so obvious.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4961 on: June 07, 2020, 10:59:35 PM »
It's certainly plausible Mr Director. Do you really think the Wuhan welcome wagon will swing open the great wall gates and let us have a look see at their biologigical warfare operations.And do you think if our Government knew it was likely they'd tell this country that has already hamstrung itself by the very people who could spread one around by more rioting- sounds reasonable
China is behaving exactly how our leadership would if the roles were reversed.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4962 on: June 07, 2020, 11:09:34 PM »
It's certainly plausible Mr Director. Do you really think the Wuhan welcome wagon will swing open the great wall gates and let us have a look see at their biologigical warfare operations.And do you think if our Government knew it was likely they'd tell this country that has already hamstrung itself by the very people who could spread one around by more rioting- sounds reasonable
Actually, yes.

They work very closely with the Galveston National Laboratory, along with many other labs throughout North America and Europe.In fact, all of the Chinese scientists there were trained by American Scientists.  They uploaded the genome of the virus for public access.

Not that any of this matters.  You've got the conspiracy theory bug, and there's no amount of logic or data that will likely change your mind.

With that said, we don't need to make up conspiracy theories here.  China was extremely negligent and had been warned many times that this could happen.   They did absolutely nothing.  It's worse when you consider that SARS was also from China, and very likely ALSO came from bats.  I haven't see any evidence they've done anything to stop another virus from causing yet another outbreak, either.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4963 on: June 07, 2020, 11:36:58 PM »
Lots of people have claimed that they were like Reagan.  Lots of people (including Obama) have tried to assume the mantle of Lincoln as well.  It doesn't make them like Reagan or like Lincoln.  Obama was not known for being excessively dedicated to telling the truth.
I honestly don't know that you mean when you use terms like "liberal" and "conservative."  And I can't tell which you hate more.
I didn't say that we had socialized medicine.  I said that Reagan was against "socialized medicine" (note the quotation marks).  He was against real-life Medicare and he would have been against real-life ObamaCare too.
What you think about the 2010 election is different than what I think about it.  We can't both be right, and we might both be wrong.  I'll just note that you offer no evidence for your thinking, but I'll offer a bit for mine.  The Tea Party was the driving force in the 2010 election, and its rhetoric was about ObamaCare far more than it was about the state of the economy.  I went to a couple of Tea Party rallies, and they didn't mention the economy at all.
We'll just have to be disappointed in him for different reasons.
I absolutely believe Reagan would have been pro Obamacare.  Here's why: 

Reagan opposed Medicare for two principal reasons: participation was mandatory, and because Medicare spent scarce taxpayer funds to subsidize coverage for wealthy people who didn’t need the help.

So we can gather from this quote that Reagan probably would have been against the individual mandate, which no longer exists anyway.  However, I think he would have approved of most of it.  Reagan explicitly supported the role of government in subsidizing care for every American who could not otherwise afford it.


Quote from "A Time for Choosing"
“No one in this country should be denied medical care for lack of funds.”

In a speech to the Phoenix chamber of commerce:
“Any person in the United States who requires medical attention and cannot provide for himself should have it provided for him.”

He championed the Kerr-Mills Act of 1960, a law introduced by two Democrats that gave federal money to states with which to provide medical care for the elderly in need. Reagan said that he was “in favor of this bill — and if the money isn’t enough, I think we should put up more.”


In fact, CW, I bet you would also be in favor of 90% of Obamacare provisions.  When this was going into effect it was my job to analyze the potential impact to my employer at the time, so I am very familiar with it.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4964 on: June 08, 2020, 06:38:09 AM »
I was on a cheap high deductible plan at the time and that option went away for me when it passed, cost me a lot of money.  For nothing in my case.

Yesterday's new case number for GA dropped back a bit, so that tends to make the recent upswing look more typical.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4965 on: June 08, 2020, 08:16:26 AM »
Some study shows the shut down prevented (delayed?) 60 million infections, which might mean 600,000 deaths (give or take).  I could believe that I think.  Another claimed it saved over 3 million lives in Europe.  That one if a bit tougher to believe, but maybe.

Sweden is better on cases but worse on deaths than the US per million pop.  They did distance in Sweden, so it's not as if they did nothing at all.  They are at 465 deaths per million in Sweden.  That rate here would be 152,000 deaths.  If Europe had done what Sweden did with the same results (which is unlikely), they would not have had 3 million deaths.  Spain, Italy, and the UK are worse off in deaths per million than is Sweden.

I don't know why their apparent mortality rate is higher than in the US.  They had fewer tests per capita.  At times, comparisons between countries can be influenced by how numbers are derived and counted.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4966 on: June 08, 2020, 08:57:58 AM »
I absolutely believe Reagan would have been pro Obamacare.  Here's why: 

Reagan opposed Medicare for two principal reasons: participation was mandatory, and because Medicare spent scarce taxpayer funds to subsidize coverage for wealthy people who didn’t need the help.

So we can gather from this quote that Reagan probably would have been against the individual mandate, which no longer exists anyway.  However, I think he would have approved of most of it.  Reagan explicitly supported the role of government in subsidizing care for every American who could not otherwise afford it.


Quote from "A Time for Choosing"
“No one in this country should be denied medical care for lack of funds.”

In a speech to the Phoenix chamber of commerce:
“Any person in the United States who requires medical attention and cannot provide for himself should have it provided for him.”

He championed the Kerr-Mills Act of 1960, a law introduced by two Democrats that gave federal money to states with which to provide medical care for the elderly in need. Reagan said that he was “in favor of this bill — and if the money isn’t enough, I think we should put up more.”


In fact, CW, I bet you would also be in favor of 90% of Obamacare provisions.  When this was going into effect it was my job to analyze the potential impact to my employer at the time, so I am very familiar with it.


You would know more than me by far. But being in banking this is what I can tell you about Obama care:  It was unanimously hated by all the business owners, especially the small ones, because it prevented them from hiring people and in many cases made them reduce their staff. Also on a personal note my costs went up substantially and my coverage went down substantially, not that my own experience is necessarily how I would judge something like that.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4967 on: June 08, 2020, 09:03:32 AM »
No, you're wrong.  This isn't my opinion. Experts in the field and multiple scientific studies present quite a bit of evidence this was a naturally occurring mutation.

There is zero evidence otherwise.
There are experts who do think otherwise. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4968 on: June 08, 2020, 09:06:39 AM »
wrong - virus incubation period averages 5 to 6 days

the protests started May 26th which was 10 days ago

do the math
That's a lot to ask.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4969 on: June 08, 2020, 09:08:58 AM »
China is behaving exactly how our leadership would if the roles were reversed.
Maybe you could move there, and let us know for sure? All in the name of research, of course.
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