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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11984 on: January 19, 2021, 11:19:30 AM »
Latest COVID stories from here in California:

Cremation limitations lifted: "According to the order, as of Jan. 15, there are more than 2,700 bodies being stored at hospitals [in Los Angeles metro] and the Coroner's Office, and the 28 crematories in the county have the resources to perform more cremations without the regulatory limits. The latest surge of the virus has been devastating to the Los Angeles area. To date, more than 1 million have been diagnosed with COVID-19, according to LA Public Health, and nearly 14,000 people have died."

One vaccine solution causing allergic reaction: "California’s top epidemiologist Dr. Erica S. Pan issued a statement Sunday evening recommending providers pause the administration of lot ‘041L20A’ of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine due to possible allergic reactions that are under investigation. “A higher-than-usual number of possible allergic reactions were reported with a specific lot of Moderna vaccine administered at one community vaccination clinic. Fewer than 10 individuals required medical attention over the span of 24 hours,” Dr. Pan said."



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11985 on: January 19, 2021, 11:32:59 AM »
Permits for crematoriums contain limits on the number of human remains that may be cremated each month "based on potential air quality impacts," the South Coast Air Quality Management District said

with all the wildfires out there????  and all the traffic???

might want to lift that limit for a few months to dispose of bodies properly
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11986 on: January 19, 2021, 12:05:25 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11987 on: January 19, 2021, 12:25:23 PM »
Neighbor across the street put 12 yrs in the navy and said some friends stationed in Korea warned him last fall that the RoK & the US Military had deciphered dispatches from the Peoples Republic indicating something was going very wrong.That is why Trump(the Feds) tried to reign in travel from the Pacific.Only to be called racist by Eva Braun Nancy Pelosi as she visited asian markets in SF assuring us everything was fine.Then later over compensating shutting down everything driving small shops out of Business.SMDH
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11988 on: January 19, 2021, 12:39:12 PM »
the political thread is that way   ----------->>>
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11989 on: January 19, 2021, 12:58:01 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11991 on: January 19, 2021, 01:06:45 PM »
not yet
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11992 on: January 19, 2021, 01:21:41 PM »
Very interesting... Note that this comes from Kevin Drum. He's a leftie blogger / journalist. He's an interesting read, and often has very unique takes on certain things, and sometimes those takes are off the rails. But I like reading him because he's not "on script" like so many political bloggers.

So I'm not vetting the below, but it's worth thinking about and looking into...

His piece: https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2021/01/chart-of-the-day-why-is-covid-19-worse-in-some-parts-of-the-world-and-better-in-others/
The study his piece is based on: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7772148/


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Human cells all contain proteins called human leukocyte antigens, or HLAs, which swim around and periodically latch on to invading viruses, which they bring to the surface of the cell. White blood cells, patrolling outside the cells, are always looking for stuff that doesn’t belong, and if an HLA presents an invader to the surface of the cell white blood cells immediately attack and destroy the entire cell. Conversely, if no HLA brings a virus to the surface, then its existence goes undetected and the immune system can’t attack it.

Now here’s the interesting part: there are dozens of different kinds of HLAs, and everybody has a different HLA profile. That’s one reason that if you and I both get sneezed on by someone with a cold, one of us might get sick while the other doesn’t. It means that one of us happened to have the right HLA to latch onto the virus while the other one didn’t.

And here’s the even more interesting part: different human populations have different average HLA profiles. This means that some populations are more resistant to certain diseases than others. For example, COVID-19.

In a recent paper, a team of researchers looked at 140 different HLAs, and in particular discovered that COVID-19 seemed to be sensitive to the ratio of the S and N types. Here’s the chart:


One of the great mysteries of COVID-19 is why China has been relatively unscathed. Aside from the initial outbreak in Wuhan, there have been hardly any cases in the entire country. But how can that be? Even with strong quarantine procedures, it’s simply not plausible that a fairly transmissible virus like COVID-19 could fail to spread widely in a country of over a billion people.

HLAs might be the answer. As you can see in the chart, the authors estimate that the S/N ratio for China is about 5.7, one of the highest in the world. That would suggest high resistance to the COVID-19 virus. At the other end, Sweden has an S/N ratio of 3.8, one of the lowest in the world. It’s possible that the “Swedish experiment” was never an experiment at all. They might have been doomed to a high COVID-19 infection rate no matter what they had done.

As with any sort of a correlation study, this may not imply causation. When you're looking at ratios between up to 140 different HLA proteins, it's quite possible that you might find something that doesn't exist. This is a common issue in correlation studies. 

But most of Asia, where they've better controlled the pandemic, is on the right side of the chart. Most of the English-speaking western world (incl USA and UK) is on the left. Some of the other hot spots, Spain/Italy/Brazil/France, are over there as well. Czechia, which 94 keeps bringing up, is also way on the left--they've got huge case numbers but perhaps not as high on deaths. 


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11993 on: January 19, 2021, 01:26:00 PM »
One of my wife's doctors just got the second jab with Pfizer, and apparently her side effects are pretty brutal this time... Couldn't even make it into the office today, feels so bad she can't even really sit up. Her other doctor got the same shot and has nothing, but she's apparently "super woman" when it comes to these sorts of things usually. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11994 on: January 19, 2021, 02:03:49 PM »
One of my wife's doctors just got the second jab with Pfizer, and apparently her side effects are pretty brutal this time... Couldn't even make it into the office today, feels so bad she can't even really sit up. Her other doctor got the same shot and has nothing, but she's apparently "super woman" when it comes to these sorts of things usually.
Yeah, differing body chemistry (perhaps HLA ratios?) is inevitably going to play a large part not only in how susceptible an individual is to contracting the disease, but also the duration and severity of the symptoms of both the disease and the side effects of the vaccine.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11995 on: January 19, 2021, 02:22:45 PM »
I'd also be curious to know the blood types of the two doctors.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11996 on: January 19, 2021, 02:23:02 PM »
One of my wife's doctors just got the second jab with Pfizer, and apparently her side effects are pretty brutal this time... Couldn't even make it into the office today, feels so bad she can't even really sit up. Her other doctor got the same shot and has nothing, but she's apparently "super woman" when it comes to these sorts of things usually.
my understanding was that the 2nd jab was nearly identical to the 1st jab.

Did she have similar side effects the first time?  If not, I wonder what changed?  I different "Lot" of the vaccine?  Why would these "lots" from Pfizer or Madorna be different in any way?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11997 on: January 19, 2021, 02:36:32 PM »
my understanding was that the 2nd jab was nearly identical to the 1st jab.

Did she have similar side effects the first time?  If not, I wonder what changed?  I different "Lot" of the vaccine?  Why would these "lots" from Pfizer or Madorna be different in any way?
The shot is identical, but the general report is that side effects are more likely and/or more severe on the second one. That's been widely reported.

I would think it has to do with the fact that your immune system has changed in its response between the first and second dose based upon having the first one.

 

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