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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11956 on: January 18, 2021, 04:47:57 PM »
if you listen to and believe Virologist Dr. John Dye, there's good reason to take the vaccine even if you've had COVID
Or if you listen to and believe the article CD posted yesterday, immunity likely lasts for years...
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11957 on: January 18, 2021, 05:08:15 PM »
Doc Dye says no one knows for sure at the moment

says the vaccine after you've had COVID would be like a "booster" shot to your immune system

says we may all need "boosters" or repeated vaccine shots over time to keep our immunity strong enough to ward off the virus and hopefully someday, maybe years from now, finish off the virus
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11958 on: January 18, 2021, 05:56:13 PM »
Doc Dye says no one knows for sure at the moment

says the vaccine after you've had COVID would be like a "booster" shot to your immune system

says we may all need "boosters" or repeated vaccine shots over time to keep our immunity strong enough to ward off the virus and hopefully someday, maybe years from now, finish off the virus

But I was told immunity was conferred for years. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11959 on: January 18, 2021, 05:58:15 PM »
Or if you listen to and believe the article CD posted yesterday, immunity likely lasts for years...

I think it said at least a year.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11960 on: January 18, 2021, 06:07:43 PM »
But I was told immunity was conferred for years.
I'd rather believe the guy that says that no one knows for sure
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11961 on: January 18, 2021, 06:24:34 PM »
I think it said at least a year.

That's not what the headlines said... 

I'd rather believe the guy that says that no one knows for sure

If they don't know, why would I listen to them?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11962 on: January 18, 2021, 06:47:18 PM »
because obviously no one knows

it's the goofballs that claim that they know with any certainty that don't know
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11963 on: January 18, 2021, 07:00:53 PM »
EXACTLY!!!!!


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11964 on: January 18, 2021, 07:13:14 PM »
But I was told immunity was conferred for years.
Tough to say anything conclusive long-term for a virus that has existed in the wild for ~14 months. And for a vaccine that has existed in the wild in large numbers for ~1 month. 

The article pointed out that based on our understanding of the immune system, and B and T cells, that the "memory" and thus immunity to the virus could very well last years. Patients infected by SARS in 2003 have been shown to have the T cells remaining in their system 17 years later. 

So there's no reason to believe immunity *can't* last years... And yet no actual evidence at this time to *know* that it does, because we don't have years of study. 

Knowing the length of the immunity is important, but it's step 117. We're on step 12 (widespread vaccine rollout) at this point. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11965 on: January 18, 2021, 09:52:39 PM »
Tough to say anything conclusive long-term for a virus that has existed in the wild for ~14 months. And for a vaccine that has existed in the wild in large numbers for ~1 month.

The article pointed out that based on our understanding of the immune system, and B and T cells, that the "memory" and thus immunity to the virus could very well last years. Patients infected by SARS in 2003 have been shown to have the T cells remaining in their system 17 years later.

So there's no reason to believe immunity *can't* last years... And yet no actual evidence at this time to *know* that it does, because we don't have years of study.

Knowing the length of the immunity is important, but it's step 117. We're on step 12 (widespread vaccine rollout) at this point.

Yeah... you do realize I know all this, right? :)

My point is precisely as you state it-- we still don't know much at all about this virus.  And we also don't know much about the vaccine either.  Get it? 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11966 on: January 19, 2021, 08:06:07 AM »
I like my T cells and B cells. I'm keeping them.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11967 on: January 19, 2021, 08:34:24 AM »
That's a sound plan.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11968 on: January 19, 2021, 08:44:12 AM »
GENEVA (AP) — A panel of experts commissioned by the World Health Organization has criticized China and other countries for not moving to stem the initial outbreak of the coronavirus earlier and questioned whether the U.N. health agency should have labeled it a pandemic sooner.

In a report issued to the media Monday, the panel led by former Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and former New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark said there were “lost opportunities” to set up basic public health measures as early as possible.

“What is clear to the panel is that public health measures could have been applied more forcefully by local and national health authorities in China in January,” shortly after the coronavirus began sickening clusters of people, it said.

The panel also cited evidence of cases in other countries in late January, saying public health containment measures should have been put in place immediately in any country with a likely case, adding: “They were not.”

“The reality is that only a minority of countries took full advantage of the information available to them to respond to the evidence of an emerging pandemic,” the panel said.

The experts also wondered why WHO did not declare a global public health emergency — its highest warning for outbreaks — sooner. The U.N. health agency convened its emergency committee on Jan. 22, but did not characterize the emerging pandemic as an international emergency until a week later. At the time, WHO said its expert committee was divided on whether a global emergency should be declared.

“One more question is whether it would have helped if WHO used the word pandemic earlier than it did,” the panel said.

WHO did not describe the COVID-19 outbreak as a pandemic until March 11, weeks after the virus had begun causing explosive outbreaks in numerous continents, meeting WHO’s own definition for a flu pandemic.


https://apnews.com/article/international-news-pandemics-public-health-coronavirus-pandemic-helen-clark-c9204041b189cebbeec84559c03529f4
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #11969 on: January 19, 2021, 09:12:25 AM »
We won't KNOW about immunity duration for more than a year from its start, obviously.  If we had serum AB numbers from someone infected each month over time, "we" could do an extrapolation, and maybe someone has that.

The second issue of course is whether some variant is able to evade the immunity, which seems probably in time.

 

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