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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10948 on: November 23, 2020, 02:05:09 PM »

Remember, the question about changing your behavior is NOT simply to avoid contracting the virus.


I'm 42, in moderately good shape, have a perfectly clean bill of health, and other than carrying a few extra pounds, not at high risk of severe complications from COVID.

I change my behavior to avoid the virus so that tomorrow, for example, when we have my 65-year old father in law with an autoimmune disorder over for "Fake Thanksgiving" with the kids, the risk of him being exposed to the virus and it being MY fault is minimized.

I hope that low-risk people in Colorado are taking precautions, because my 78-year-old parents live in a senior community there, and my mom has heart problems and already needs oxygen, and my dad is severely obese, and if they get COVID, I'd put the odds at better than even that I'd lose one of them at least.

The better job that all of us lower-risk do at minimizing the spread, the better we are able to protect the vulnerable. That doesn't mean you lock yourself in a basement until the vaccine appears. But it doesn't mean do nothing either.



So maybe I can correct myself somewhat.  I do not visit my 80 year mother with a compromised immune system as much as I use to and keep my distance when I do. My mother does not go out and I have her groceries delivered to her. only time she goes out is for doctor appointments. Again, I have no desire to spread the virus, but I am not worried about the consequences of getting it and I expect those that are in danger from the virus be responsible and self-isolate.  And if they do, they are in no danger from me.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10949 on: November 23, 2020, 02:14:28 PM »
If R naught is above 1.0 and WE individually contract COVID, we're likely to pass it on to more people, who also may be young etc.  But it leads to spread and that will eventually find it's way to folks who aren't in such good shape.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10950 on: November 23, 2020, 03:20:09 PM »
So maybe I can correct myself somewhat.  I do not visit my 80 year mother with a compromised immune system as much as I use to and keep my distance when I do. My mother does not go out and I have her groceries delivered to her. only time she goes out is for doctor appointments. Again, I have no desire to spread the virus, but I am not worried about the consequences of getting it and I expect those that are in danger from the virus be responsible and self-isolate.  And if they do, they are in no danger from me.
Thanks for the correction. I see a lot of responses in this thing of "I'm not going to change anything because I ain't scared of it" which comes off as callous when you consider it from the point of view of who you could be passing the virus to, rather than your own concern about its effects on you. I didn't want to accuse you of such, both because it would be incredibly rude, but also because I think a lot of people are doing exactly what you're doing--trying to live their lives but with a heightened concern for [and modifying behavior for] the vulnerable people in their lives. 


If R naught is above 1.0 and WE individually contract COVID, we're likely to pass it on to more people, who also may be young etc.  But it leads to spread and that will eventually find it's way to folks who aren't in such good shape.
Exactly. How does it go again? "If you're around someone with COVID, then you've had sex with everyone they've ever had COVID with?" 

Or something like that?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10951 on: November 23, 2020, 04:37:39 PM »
Some potentially silver lining out of all this:

https://www.cato.org/blog/business-startups-soar



Now, this has a bit of "broken window fallacy" to it. Obviously it is horrible that many of these people are starting businesses because they're forced to--they fell out of work in other ways due to the restrictions or natural economic dislocation of a pandemic.

That said, new business creation tends to have long-term growth benefits. While many industries are dominated by large entrenched businesses, it's often difficult for those large entrenched businesses to invent anything truly revolutionary from within. The corporate culture is much more incremental improvement, not disruptive innovation. After all, who wants to disrupt their own gravy train, right? So startups that do something that is truly new and disruptive either get acquired by the larger players who can exploit that technology more readily, or start to supplant those larger players if they can grow by themselves. 

Most of these new businesses will be small; most of these new businesses will fail. But if this pandemic kicked someone with a revolutionary idea off the "fence" to actually turn it into reality when they had nothing to lose, it could be beneficial for all of us down the road.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10953 on: November 24, 2020, 08:30:34 AM »
Wisconsin looking much better now.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10954 on: November 24, 2020, 11:28:22 AM »
Nationally, the 7-day MA on cases appears to be cresting. 

Personally, I think that's just the calm before the Thanksgiving-fueled storm, but hopefully I'm wrong.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10955 on: November 24, 2020, 11:39:37 AM »
Nationally, the 7-day MA on cases appears to be cresting.

Personally, I think that's just the calm before the Thanksgiving-fueled storm, but hopefully I'm wrong.
I hope you are wrong too.

People seem to be taking this seriously again. Outside of some yahoos, I believe this will not be a big spreader weekend.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10956 on: November 24, 2020, 11:46:02 AM »
the state of Iowa is full of yahoos

most people I talk to are having large gatherings
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10957 on: November 24, 2020, 12:03:00 PM »
Not smart.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10958 on: November 24, 2020, 12:09:07 PM »
my ex-mother in-law is 90 years old, really wants to have 10-12 people for dinner as usual.

From 6-7 households

my daughters have been trying to talk her out of it
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10959 on: November 24, 2020, 12:10:24 PM »
I hear reports that air travel is up considerably, which suggests this could be a bad week down the road.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10960 on: November 24, 2020, 12:11:44 PM »
yup, many people are over this pandemic and going back to normal

well, except they are wearing masks
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #10961 on: November 24, 2020, 12:13:17 PM »
We were originally going to go to Oregon this year for Thanksgiving, as we did with that little short getaway in July. The idea being that we're trying to be pretty safe down here in SoCal, and my wife's mom and stepdad up there are being pretty safe, so if we hang out together it's still mostly safe and shouldn't cause spread (or if it does, it's VERY limited because there were only four of us in the household for those 4.5 days). 

We decided not to go because we knew there would be a 20+ person Thanksgiving gathering. If they had restricted it only to us, them, and my brother-in-law's family (who are mostly isolating too, living out in the country), I think it would be mostly safe. But once they all got roped into the traditional big event, it became a big-time no. And we were proven right; they moved it to my brother-in-law's house, but my mother-in-law is still getting roped into not only cooking for everyone but they're going to be there, so out of guilt they're taking a significant risk. 

I think that's a lot of it this year. People don't want to anger their families by taking a year off from the tradition, so even those people who don't want to be a part of it will end up being a part of it to avoid rocking the boat.

 

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