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MrNubbz

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #854 on: December 12, 2023, 10:13:10 AM »
The next major shift is death. How long do you think?

I give it 5-6 years.
Ya they could never get enough coverage or coin.These idiots will not get a true Champion,they'll get the team who had the least amount of Sunday bound kids that sat.It also sort of punishes the Student athletes by keeping them away from their actual focus,wonder how many of the non schollies will just say screw it and drop football.Ya 5-6 yrs then maybe reform
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #855 on: December 12, 2023, 10:25:09 AM »
I'm sure CFB will evolve, probably in ways many of us dislike, but givern how long it took to go from only bowl games to the BCS to the CFP and now the playoff, I think it'll be a while before another major shift occurs.
I'm not so sure, I think changes are accelerating. 

We had the bowls as individual games with no combined scheduling for roughly a Century. 

The Bowl Coalition and Bowl Alliance lasted a combined six years (1992-1997).

The BCS lasted 16 years (1998-2013).

The Coalition, Alliance, and BCS were all basically two-team playoffs and they lasted a combined 22 years.

The four-team CFP lasted ten years (2014-2023).

Now we are going to a 12-team playoff. 

The last change was doubling the playoff after 22 years, this one triples it after just 10. 

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #856 on: December 12, 2023, 10:26:15 AM »
The next major shift is death. How long do you think?

I give it 5-6 years.

This currently has my vote.

LSU already can't compete in the portal with schools with richer NIL-sources.  If that continues, and I'm not sure at the moment why it wouldn't, LSU is an example of a "have" that's about to go to a "have not."  Sure, they'd be brought into whatever new superconference gives the finger to the NCAA, but then what?  They aren't going to thrive there.  

Just a matter of how long it takes the fans to catch on to what's happening.  There are many, many, many lifelong, hardcore LSU fans who believe that things are going to turn around eventually because they always have, and they may live out the rest of their lives and die without realizing an entire paradigm-shift occurred.  For others like me, it hasn't even really happened yet, and my interest is already waning.  

It could keep going--artificially, in a sense--for as long as the majority of a fanbase doesn't catch on.  Using us as an example again, LSU could technically become useless, but we still benefit teams like Texas and Alabama to play for as long as we have rabid fans.  The economics could keep viability longer than seems warranted, even as the actual product on the field may be shot to hell.  

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #857 on: December 12, 2023, 10:34:14 AM »
I see enormous fan enthusiasm on TV at places like A&M, LSU, Auburn, Penn State, etc., all programs with basically a "once in a lifetime" shot at an NC.  TV ratings are pretty good.  We all agree $$$ is the driver for nearly everything.  The $$$ is going to be there pretty long term, decades.

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« Reply #858 on: December 12, 2023, 10:37:06 AM »
Of course they need wins.

Even as the schedule gets tougher, people's expectations don't go down. And as much as this sport is a churning cauldron of unrealistic people, it's not measured in championships or playoff spots. It's measured in wins. 10-2 and 8-4s and such. And when you break off fully, a bunch of 8-4 teams become 2-10 teams. And that would be a real problem for them. It's gonna be a problem when they become 7-5/6-6. (The NFL gets around this by having the consolation of the draft. CFB's only consolation is a new HC)

And that's the way it is. Even as the sport is nationalized, the majority of folks are mostly focused on their team. And most fanbases are not dwelling in this particular strain of nihilism and you seem to be so enchanted by at the moment.
It's not measured in championships or playoff spots? 

Tell that to the FSU, Georgia, and OSU fan bases. 

As for my particular strain of nihilism, it seems to be catching around here... 

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #859 on: December 12, 2023, 10:41:31 AM »
Let's imagine some "super league" as is being discussed where you only play your near peers.  So, let's include say Auburn, and their schedule is basically 6 games against "Texas" on the road and 5 more against "Texas" at home, and maybe a home game with Vanderbilt, if they make it, or Ole Miss, or Miss State, whoever.  They may have three games they realistically could win, so their 8-4 season otherwise in today's model turns into 2-10.

Their years play out 2-10, 3-9, and then they have a really solid team and make it to 6-6.  Their fan support will dwindle, recruiting will ebb severely, and the team soon enough will look more like UAB than Auburn of today.  Maybe they get relegated.

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #860 on: December 12, 2023, 11:04:26 AM »
I get some Georgia Tech comments on FB from time to time, just saw one proudly noting they have sold out their bowl ticket allotment.  They are 6-6, going to the Gasparillo Bowl somewhere, and it's great they sold out.  They mostly seem quite proud of this team.  I wouldn't deprive them of that feeling.

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #861 on: December 12, 2023, 11:16:15 AM »
I get some Georgia Tech comments on FB from time to time, just saw one proudly noting they have sold out their bowl ticket allotment.  They are 6-6, going to the Gasparillo Bowl somewhere, and it's great they sold out.  They mostly seem quite proud of this team.  I wouldn't deprive them of that feeling.
They might never make another bowl game the way things are going.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #862 on: December 12, 2023, 01:06:28 PM »
It's not measured in championships or playoff spots?

Tell that to the FSU, Georgia, and OSU fan bases.

As for my particular strain of nihilism, it seems to be catching around here...
FSU has been bad for a minute. If they’d gone 11-1 this year and missed the playoff. Wouldn’t have rioted. UGA and OSU, that’s nice for them. They are not the bulk of this enterprise. (Oddly, credit UGA for not being near as pissy over it as I expected)

I mean, this sport isn’t built on our mostly erudite form of message boarding. It is built on a kind of complaining, but not the kind disciplined enough bathe in despondence and then aggressively opt out. It’s built on a blend of the deranged and the casual.

I meant to reply to an earlier post, but might as well do it here. Folks love to talk about all the oxygen being sucked up, by this that or the other. And I just live all that by the state motto of SC. “While I breathe, I hope.” In balance, I don’t care where someone else’s oxygen goes. I can enjoy the Egg Bowl and Army-Navy and Arkansas and Tennessee running wildly different versions of the same offense. If someone else doesn’t, won’t effect me.

(is this influenced by coming of age during BCS chases and realizing the difference in making a game an hour later in Orlando instead of Tampa was not bringing me much joy? Yes, yes it is.)

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #863 on: December 12, 2023, 01:10:12 PM »
Let's imagine some "super league" as is being discussed where you only play your near peers.  So, let's include say Auburn, and their schedule is basically 6 games against "Texas" on the road and 5 more against "Texas" at home, and maybe a home game with Vanderbilt, if they make it, or Ole Miss, or Miss State, whoever.  They may have three games they realistically could win, so their 8-4 season otherwise in today's model turns into 2-10.

Their years play out 2-10, 3-9, and then they have a really solid team and make it to 6-6.  Their fan support will dwindle, recruiting will ebb severely, and the team soon enough will look more like UAB than Auburn of today.  Maybe they get relegated.

If this happens, I’m kinda fascinated at the other side.

You get teams like Cal, Baylor, GT running up nice records, fans having fun. Could be interesting.

I think the crossover has always mattered because wins feed up. P5 have nots get a good time taking wins from G5s. G5s get joy from conference play and the odd upset. And G5 fanbases are smaller, thus feel less sting going 3-9 or whatnot.

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #864 on: December 12, 2023, 01:29:50 PM »
FSU has been bad for a minute. If they’d gone 11-1 this year and missed the playoff. Wouldn’t have rioted. UGA and OSU, that’s nice for them. They are not the bulk of this enterprise. (Oddly, credit UGA for not being near as pissy over it as I expected)

I mean, this sport isn’t built on our mostly erudite form of message boarding. It is built on a kind of complaining, but not the kind disciplined enough bathe in despondence and then aggressively opt out. It’s built on a blend of the deranged and the casual.

I meant to reply to an earlier post, but might as well do it here. Folks love to talk about all the oxygen being sucked up, by this that or the other. And I just live all that by the state motto of SC. “While I breathe, I hope.” In balance, I don’t care where someone else’s oxygen goes. I can enjoy the Egg Bowl and Army-Navy and Arkansas and Tennessee running wildly different versions of the same offense. If someone else doesn’t, won’t effect me.

(is this influenced by coming of age during BCS chases and realizing the difference in making a game an hour later in Orlando instead of Tampa was not bringing me much joy? Yes, yes it is.)
I should point out that part of that post was about today, and part of it (that I didn't really mention) was about what's happening going forward.

Today, those are three fan bases that are "left out." UGA and OSU in particular feeling like their seasons weren't all that successful because they measure success by making the playoffs. FSU is a special case because you can't call their season anything but a success--yet they're still left out. 

But go forward a year and we have a 12-team playoff. Now FSU/UGA/OSU all get in. Now for them to miss the playoff it has to probably be a 3-loss season. Making the playoff is more accessible and becomes more important to fans of those programs as a whole. 

You said the sport isn't about championships and playoffs. I'd argue that the 4-team CFP got us closer to being all about championships and playoffs, as evidenced by the disappointment of teams like UGA/OSU. But a 12-team CFP will move it to the only measure of success for the bigger teams being "did I make the playoffs?", and every year you don't, it's not just a disappointment, it's a failed season. The sport will now only be about the CFP. 

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #865 on: December 12, 2023, 01:46:38 PM »
You said the sport isn't about championships and playoffs. I'd argue that the 4-team CFP got us closer to being all about championships and playoffs, as evidenced by the disappointment of teams like UGA/OSU. But a 12-team CFP will move it to the only measure of success for the bigger teams being "did I make the playoffs?", and every year you don't, it's not just a disappointment, it's a failed season. The sport will now only be about the CFP.
Everybody knows I'm an Ohio State fan and I'll be the first to admit that we are spoiled.  Even after three straight losses to cheating scUM, we've still beaten them six times in the last decade and two of their three wins will likely be vacated due to rampant cheating.  On a larger, national level, Ohio State has finished the 10 CFP rankings as follows:
  • 4th in 2014
  • 7th in 2015
  • 3rd in 2016
  • 5th in 2017
  • 6th in 2018
  • 2nd in 2019
  • 3rd in 2020
  • 6th in 2021
  • 4th in 2022
  • 7th in 2023
A few teams have won more championships or made more appearances but only Bama comes even close to tOSU's consistency and they finished 13th in 2019 which is six spots lower than Ohio State's worst finish of the CFP era.  

2023 IS a failed season for Ohio State.  I realize that a lot of people reading this will roll their eyes and think "#HelmetSchoolProblems" and they are not wrong, but neither am I.  This years' ranking of #7 in the final CFP rankings ties Ohio State's worst since the CFP began.  Looking at the 10 years of the CFP, Ohio State had:
  • One great season:  2014: won NC.  
  • Four good seasons:  2016, 2019, 2020, 2022:  Made CFP.  
  • Five failed seasons:  2015, 2017, 2018, 2021, 2023:  Missed CFP.  


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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #866 on: December 13, 2023, 07:55:31 AM »
Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody announced Tuesday that she is launching an investigation into the College Football Playoff selection committee over the decision to leave Florida State out of the top four.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #867 on: December 13, 2023, 07:58:59 AM »
  The $$$ is going to be there pretty long term, decades.
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