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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #840 on: December 11, 2023, 03:32:47 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 11, 2023, 09:09:53 AM
hell, I've been hurting your feelings for decades ;)
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #841 on: December 11, 2023, 03:59:57 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 11, 2023, 01:07:23 PM
Pastries need the money, power teams need the wins.

I suppose we could see some kind of Power 5 gizmo with no games against anyone else, with only the top 40 or so programs, but I don't see it, in college.  Yet.
Not sure they need the wins. 

Maybe they need tune-up games... We'll call them "exhibition games" like the NFL. Maybe they count for the record books or maybe they don't, but why would the top 40 programs all vying for the playoffs really count games against pastries for anything, ya know, important?
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #842 on: December 11, 2023, 05:45:11 PM »
I think he meant that for the "haves" to have 12-1 and 10-2 and 11-2 type seasons year in and year out, they beat up on the have-nots and don't beat each other up all that much.

If you take the top 40 programs, many of them that are used to having the above records will suddenly start going 4-8 and 6-6 and 3-9.  Year after year.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #843 on: December 11, 2023, 05:48:39 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 11, 2023, 05:45:11 PM
I think he meant that for the "haves" to have 12-1 and 10-2 and 11-2 type seasons year in and year out, they beat up on the have-nots and don't beat each other up all that much.

If you take the top 40 programs, many of them that are used to having the above records will suddenly start going 4-8 and 6-6 and 3-9.  Year after year.
Aww... Someone grab me a tissue, because I can't stop weeping for their misfortune.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #844 on: December 11, 2023, 06:51:08 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on December 11, 2023, 05:48:39 PM
Aww... Someone grab me a tissue, because I can't stop weeping for their misfortune.
I assume Cowboys and Packers fans understand when their teams go 5-11
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #845 on: December 11, 2023, 06:57:26 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 11, 2023, 06:51:08 PM
I assume Cowboys and Packers fans understand when their teams go 5-11
Well neither of those storied franchises played .800 ball for decades.  

These are a bunch of programs that are used to getting their way and simple logic dictates some are going to become the new "have-nots."
It's not going to go well.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #846 on: December 11, 2023, 07:12:16 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 11, 2023, 06:57:26 PM
These are a bunch of programs that are used to getting their way and simple logic dictates some are going to become the new "have-nots."
It's not going to go well.
It's not going well now. They're burning the sport down already. 

The new "have-nots" are going to be pissed. I get that. And the remaining "haves" are not going to be in good shape when the sport is burnt down either. If the sport becomes a watered-down NFL but without any semblance of parity, I'm guessing that everyone outside of 12-15 fan bases will disengage. At that point, the money dries up, because the ratings dry up, and everyone's screwed. 

The desire to make everything in the sport about "crowning a single objective champion" when you have 120-130 teams--110+ or so which have no shot at it at all--screwed it up. NIL and the transfer portal further eliminated those 110+ teams from caring. 

So who cares about the 11-20th teams who used to get their way but are now the have-nots?


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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #847 on: December 12, 2023, 07:49:08 AM »
Rivalries are a thing in CFB, right?  The do ebb and flow, and sometimes basically disappear in significance or consequence.  Would say Georgia Tech make the cut in this "New World Order"?
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #848 on: December 12, 2023, 08:00:15 AM »
The NCAA prez thinks it's all about the money 
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #849 on: December 12, 2023, 08:01:52 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 12, 2023, 07:49:08 AM
Rivalries are a thing in CFB, right?  The do ebb and flow, and sometimes basically disappear in significance or consequence.  Would say Georgia Tech make the cut in this "New World Order"?
Not a chance.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #850 on: December 12, 2023, 08:40:51 AM »
I'm sure CFB will evolve, probably in ways many of us dislike, but givern how long it took to go from only bowl games to the BCS to the CFP and now the playoff, I think it'll be a while before another major shift occurs.

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #851 on: December 12, 2023, 08:42:18 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 12, 2023, 08:40:51 AM
I'm sure CFB will evolve, probably in ways many of us dislike, but givern how long it took to go from only bowl games to the BCS to the CFP and now the playoff, I think it'll be a while before another major shift occurs.


The next major shift is death. How long do you think?

I give it 5-6 years.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #852 on: December 12, 2023, 08:55:49 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on December 11, 2023, 03:59:57 PM
Not sure they need the wins.

Maybe they need tune-up games... We'll call them "exhibition games" like the NFL. Maybe they count for the record books or maybe they don't, but why would the top 40 programs all vying for the playoffs really count games against pastries for anything, ya know, important?
Of course they need wins. 

Even as the schedule gets tougher, people's expectations don't go down. And as much as this sport is a churning cauldron of unrealistic people, it's not measured in championships or playoff spots. It's measured in wins. 10-2 and 8-4s and such. And when you break off fully, a bunch of 8-4 teams become 2-10 teams. And that would be a real problem for them. It's gonna be a problem when they become 7-5/6-6. (The NFL gets around this by having the consolation of the draft. CFB's only consolation is a new HC)

And that's the way it is. Even as the sport is nationalized, the majority of folks are mostly focused on their team. And most fanbases are not dwelling in this particular strain of nihilism and you seem to be so enchanted by at the moment. 
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #853 on: December 12, 2023, 08:57:13 AM »
Quote from: ELA on December 11, 2023, 06:51:08 PM
I assume Cowboys and Packers fans understand when their teams go 5-11
They have a draft and are not crowdfunded. 

Whether the people who run this sport understand that, well that remains to be seen. 
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