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Honestbuckeye

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #532 on: December 05, 2023, 07:11:25 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 05, 2023, 07:06:01 AM
FSU is nearly a 2 TD dog to UGA.  There's your sign.  FSU would lose to Bama about 85% of the time. 

The lines with the four teams chosen will be much closer.
What was the line between Michigan and TCU last year?   that’s why the line doesn’t mean a damn thing
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #533 on: December 05, 2023, 07:14:16 AM »
I hope you don't bet on football if you think the betting line doesn't mean anything at all.

I've explained clearly what it means.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #534 on: December 05, 2023, 07:15:34 AM »
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #535 on: December 05, 2023, 07:24:16 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 05, 2023, 07:14:16 AM
I hope you don't bet on football if you think the betting line doesn't mean anything at all.

I've explained clearly what it means.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #536 on: December 05, 2023, 07:32:30 AM »
If Prime would have coached FSU to that record, then they'd be in even with the injuries. 
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #537 on: December 05, 2023, 07:38:38 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 05, 2023, 07:14:16 AM
I hope you don't bet on football if you think the betting line doesn't mean anything at all.
as far as a forecast tool it doesn't.I just got knocked out of a Survivor Pool last Night.JAX JAGS were a 10 pt chalk to the Bengals who surprise were w/o who? That's right their QB oh and they were on the road too

So you FSU doesn't belong bloviators - you're smarter than this
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #538 on: December 05, 2023, 07:42:22 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 05, 2023, 07:06:01 AM
FSU is nearly a 2 TD dog to UGA.  There's your sign.  FSU would lose to Bama about 85% of the time. 

The lines with the four teams chosen will be much closer.
Georgia would be a big favorite against Washington. Probably should let them in.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #539 on: December 05, 2023, 07:48:09 AM »
Quote from: ELA on December 04, 2023, 05:16:37 PM
Needing a 64 team bracket
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #540 on: December 05, 2023, 07:55:15 AM »
There are legitimate arguments as to why FSU shouldn’t be in.  The Vegas point spread isn’t one of them.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #541 on: December 05, 2023, 07:56:14 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on December 05, 2023, 07:42:22 AM
Georgia would be a big favorite against Washington. Probably should let them in.
Exactly. OHIO STATE would be a couple point favorite over both Washington, and Texas, and probably Alabama too.  let’s put them in 

better yet, Michigan is favored over all of them so it’s just crown them right now 

do you see how silly this is?
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #542 on: December 05, 2023, 07:57:25 AM »
It is to me, obviously, if the object is to include the best teams, not the "most deserving teams".  We could include Missouri or Iowa or Ole Miss and get a similar point spread.

The spread is one means of evaluating the apparent competence of a team relative to another.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #543 on: December 05, 2023, 07:59:39 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 05, 2023, 07:57:25 AM
It is to me, obviously, if the object is to include the best teams, not the "most deserving teams".  We could include Missouri or Iowa or Ole Miss and get a similar point spread.

The spread is one means of evaluating the apparent competence of a team relative to another.
No.  It really isn’t.  “ best” - when referring to a future event is nothing more than an opinion and can’t be right or wrong.  it’s just a concept or an adjective. 

“ best” - when referring to past events, such as “who did the best job of winning the most games and winning their conference“ is a factual thing. 
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #544 on: December 05, 2023, 08:08:10 AM »
In my opinion, it clearly is.  I also think the committee isn't using such logic, and shouldn't for obvious reasons.

But it is how I would look at comparing teams, in my view, the best way of assessing a thing which is not readily assessible.

FSU is not currently one of the four best teams, not even close.  They'd probably be a dog to Ole Miss.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #545 on: December 05, 2023, 08:09:17 AM »
To me, "best team" means a team that more often would defeat any other team.  How can one assess that?  Eye test?  Of course.

One could also look at the Vegas assessment as an indicator, in MY VIEW, the best one available.
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