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rolltidefan · « **Reply #392 on:** December 04, 2023, 01:10:25 PM »

Quote from: SuperMario on December 04, 2023, 12:55:47 PM

Bama almost lost to Auburn on a miracle offensive pass interference play. They skate away from Arkansas in a 3 point game. Where's Ohio State's other close game besides the Michigan loss? Notre Dame? At least they're a competent opponent.

There's plenty of circles to go round and round and what I notice the most, is the entire Bama argument rests on their most recent win and means their eye test is the best, justifying their jump in rankings based on one.. .single ... game.. while ignoring or making excuses for the rest. Sorry, but they should have lost to Auburn and that last play was garbage with Bond pushing off on the defenders helmet.. they struggled with Arkansas, A&M, Auburn..... They won the SEC title game.. that's big, but there's a reason they have been below Oregon Texas for multiple weeks with the same record because they didn't pass the eye test.

lol, what? not even barn fans are saying this. what kind of contrived bs controversy you playing here?

miracle? yes, absolutely. opi? lol

SuperMario · « **Reply #393 on:** December 04, 2023, 01:36:52 PM »

Quote from: rolltidefan on December 04, 2023, 01:02:41 PM

i mean, close calls happen? especially vs rivals. uga struggled vs auburn, mich vs maryland, washington had multiple 1 score games vs bad teams, texas as well. why are those not taken into question when bama's (and fsu's) is?

Michigan and Washington were undefeated. So was FSU. Michigan never trailed in the 2nd half this season. Texas had close games when their started QB was out.

utee94 · « **Reply #394 on:** December 04, 2023, 01:44:36 PM »

Boy did we ever.

ELA · « **Reply #395 on:** December 04, 2023, 01:47:56 PM »

This is why "best team" needs to end.

You want the 4 best teams, don't even play the season, just look at the 247 composite talent rankings.

It should be the 4 best resumes

And I would be fine with fudging it a little to move Texas up to #3, because the field was set, and give the #1 seed (Michigan) the clearly worst team (FSU).

But damn, we were so close to a perfect CFP. Big 10 Champ (Michigan) vs. Pac 12 champ (Washington) in the Rose; and SEC Champ (Georgia) vs. either Texas or FSU in the Sugar

I would have been 100% in on that

Cincydawg · « **Reply #396 on:** December 04, 2023, 01:50:32 PM »

A game between teams like Bama/UGA/UM/OSU/Texas is going to be decided more often than not by the unpredictable, turnovers in particular, a field goal attempt that hits an upright, maybe a questionable call, some ST play. The outcome in my view doesn't determine the better team, it simply is who won. I thought Ohio State outplayed UGA last year, until the very end.

Is Oklahoma better than Texas this season? No.

Is the current FSU team anywhere near the teams cited above? In my view, not at all. Anyway, it's a done deal.

rolltidefan · « **Reply #397 on:** December 04, 2023, 01:51:28 PM »

Quote from: SuperMario on December 04, 2023, 01:36:52 PM

Michigan and Washington were undefeated. So was FSU. Michigan never trailed in the 2nd half this season. Texas had close games when their started QB was out.

then don't use close game vs auburn as argument. use the loss. it's a really strong argument for bama being left out. but that's a different discussion.

the premise being discussed was how can bama be considered top 4 when they had a close game vs a mediocre auburn. and the argument against that is because everyone had close games vs mediocre opponents. and everyone, including bama, won those close games vs mediocre opponents. that's a faulty argument for why bama shouldn't be top 4.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #398 on:** December 04, 2023, 01:52:28 PM »

Quote from: ELA on December 04, 2023, 01:47:56 PM

This is why "best team" needs to end.

You want the 4 best teams, don't even play the season, just look at the 247 composite talent rankings.

Well, nobody woud agree of course, and for good reason. Coaching is a big factor in CFB. Some talented teams struggle, have injuries, dubious coaching, etc.

You gather data over the year and reach an OPINION about the 4, or 12, best teams.

SuperMario · « **Reply #399 on:** December 04, 2023, 01:53:23 PM »

Quote from: rolltidefan on December 04, 2023, 01:10:25 PM

lol, what? not even barn fans are saying this. what kind of contrived bs controversy you playing here?

miracle? yes, absolutely. opi? lol

https://twitter.com/SECNetwork/status/1729942294520869365/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1729942294520869365&currentTweetUser=SECNetwork&currentTweet=1729942294520869365&currentTweetUser=SECNetwork&currentTweet=1729942294520869365&currentTweetUser=SECNetwork&currentTweet=1729942294520869365&currentTweetUser=SECNetwork

maybe pushing off of someone’s face ain’t Pi in the SeC. I only know Big Ten guidelines.

rolltidefan · « **Reply #400 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:04:20 PM »

Quote from: ELA on December 04, 2023, 01:47:56 PM

This is why "best team" needs to end.

You want the 4 best teams, don't even play the season, just look at the 247 composite talent rankings.

It should be the 4 best resumes

And I would be fine with fudging it a little to move Texas up to #3, because the field was set, and give the #1 seed (Michigan) the clearly worst team (FSU).

But damn, we were so close to a perfect CFP. Big 10 Champ (Michigan) vs. Pac 12 champ (Washington) in the Rose; and SEC Champ (Georgia) vs. either Texas or FSU in the Sugar

I would have been 100% in on that

people acting like there aren't 5 teams deserving are incredible to me. misplacing the anger on bama instead of the shit situation the conferences put themselves in.

mich is an undefeated b1g champion.
washington is an undefeated pac champion.
fsu is an undefeated acc champion.
texas is a 1-loss bigxii champion.
bama is a 1-loss sec champion.

it's not that bama or fsu or any of them are undeserving based on resumes or anything, it's the whole system is fubar and someone (fsu) got f-ed. don't be pissed at your friend for getting the last piece of cake, be pissed at the party planners for not getting enough to begin with.

SuperMario · « **Reply #401 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:05:25 PM »

Quote from: rolltidefan on December 04, 2023, 01:51:28 PM

the premise being discussed was how can bama be considered top 4 when they had a close game vs a mediocre auburn. and the argument against that is because everyone had close games vs mediocre opponents. and everyone, including bama, won those close games vs mediocre opponents. that's a faulty argument for why bama shouldn't be top 4.

I didn't realize I listed their only mediocre game against Auburn.

Quote from: rolltidefan on December 04, 2023, 01:02:41 PM

i mean, close calls happen? especially vs rivals. uga struggled vs auburn, mich vs maryland, washington had multiple 1 score games vs bad teams, texas as well. why are those not taken into question when bama's (and fsu's) is?

And your specific question was why isn't Washington's and Michigan's close games considered like bama's.. well because those teams were undefeated. Texas I understand questioning it.. but again, they beat Bama so they automatically trump Bama. I simply don't get the justification of jumping FSU. if FSU was taken out of the picture, I don't get how Bama v OSU resume and eye test wasn't a bigger topic.. and that's coming from someone that talks bad about OSU often.

FearlessF · « **Reply #402 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:06:37 PM »

Quote from: ELA on December 04, 2023, 01:47:56 PM

But damn, we were so close to a perfect CFP. Big 10 Champ (Michigan) vs. Pac 12 champ (Washington) in the Rose; and SEC Champ (Georgia) vs. either Texas or FSU in the Sugar

I would have been 100% in on that

I blame Georgia

rolltidefan · « **Reply #403 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:07:40 PM »

Quote from: SuperMario on December 04, 2023, 01:53:23 PM

maybe pushing off of someone’s face ain’t Pi in the SeC. I only know Big Ten guidelines.

lol

SuperMario · « **Reply #404 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:10:34 PM »

Quote from: rolltidefan on December 04, 2023, 02:04:20 PM

it's not that bama or fsu or any of them are undeserving based on resumes or anything, it's the whole system is fubar and someone (fsu) got f-ed. don't be pissed at your friend for getting the last piece of cake, be pissed at the party planners for not getting enough to begin with.

People aren't pissed at Bama fans. Hope it doesn't come across that way. I'm certainly ruffling feathers and it's not intended to be disrespectful to you and sorry if it is.

And your message above is so close. The difference is, there was one piece of cake left and the party planners gave it to the friend that buys more expensive presents that was second in line over the friend that brings cheaper presents but was first in line.

rolltidefan · « **Reply #405 on:** December 04, 2023, 02:12:22 PM »

Quote from: SuperMario on December 04, 2023, 02:05:25 PM

I didn't realize I listed their only mediocre game against Auburn.

And your specific question was why isn't Washington's and Michigan's close games considered like bama's.. well because those teams were undefeated. Texas I understand questioning it.. but again, they beat Bama so they automatically trump Bama. I simply don't get the justification of jumping FSU. if FSU was taken out of the picture, I don't get how Bama v OSU resume and eye test wasn't a bigger topic.. and that's coming from someone that talks bad about OSU often.

this was you're original post:

Quote from: SuperMario on December 04, 2023, 12:15:55 PM

This is the part of the argument I simply can't wrap my head around. Last week they were the 8th best team. They beat Georgia. Big win against the team everyone thought was #1. Upsets happen. But the week before they needed a miracle to beat a very, very mediocre Auburn team. So what backing is there that Bama is one of the best 4 right now besides the Georgia win?

to which i responded with all of them had close games.

again, close games vs mediocre opponents is a weak argument against bama because they ALL had close games. and they all pulled them out.

stick with the undefeated and texas h2h. it's a great argument. i even agree with it. that's the easiest, least controversial decision that could have been made.

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