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Topic: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #364 on: December 04, 2023, 07:08:12 AM »
Alabama was undefeated against SEC opponents as well.  Their sole loss was to Texas, who is not (yet) an SEC team.

You caught that too. Heh. I was gonna let it slide.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #365 on: December 04, 2023, 07:32:44 AM »
I love how the idea that the committee members simply did what they thought was best isn't even a possibility for some of you.


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oh, I think it's possible.  Just not probable.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #366 on: December 04, 2023, 10:20:33 AM »
Blame it all on Georgia.  All they needed to do was beat said pedestrian Bama team, which many are claiming was not great (even with 11 previous wins).  They did beat Georgia, who most believed was easily #1 by a wide margin.  

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #367 on: December 04, 2023, 10:22:29 AM »
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So the games would be:
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  • #23 Liberty at #5 FSU, winner vs #4 Bama
  • #11 Ole Miss at #Georgia, winner vs #3 Texas
  • #10 Penn State at #7 Ohio State, winner vs #2 Washington 
  • #9 Mizzou at #8 Oregon, winner vs #1 Michigan 
Then:
  • Liberty/FSU vs Bama, winner vs
  • Mizzou/Oregon vs Michigan 
  • Ole Miss/UGA vs Texas, winner vs
  • PSU/tOSU vs Washington 


I think I'd really like that lineup.  

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #368 on: December 04, 2023, 10:29:08 AM »
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #369 on: December 04, 2023, 10:36:29 AM »
You caught that too. Heh. I was gonna let it slide.
Yeah I'm not trying to be pedantic and I truly do sympathize with FSU, they got a raw deal.

But if the point being made is that FSU>Alabama because FSU was undefeated against SEC teams and Alabama was not, well, the hypothesis is contrary to fact and therefore the logical conclusion is a fallacy.


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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #370 on: December 04, 2023, 10:50:37 AM »
I think I'd really like that lineup.
Honestly, not me. 

Two of the first round games (Ole Miss at UGA and PSU at tOSU) end up being conference games.  They'd probably switch the rankings to force it to end up Ole Miss at tOSU and PSU at UGA but still I just don't see why Ole Miss or PSU should be included.  They had their chances.  Note the plural.  They had multiple chances to knock off playoff caliber teams and failed.  One mulligan is bad enough, two? 

Personally, I'd be happy going back to pre-BCS, or BCS, or sticking with four.  From my perspective each incremental increase in CFP participants necessarily decreases the intensity of individual regular season games. 

I knew they would expand from four but I had hoped to keep it to eight because, IMHO, 12 is just way too many because it makes it too easy to get in. 

Looking at what I posted above using this year's rankings:
Going from two (BCS) to four (CFP) adds:
  • B12 Champion Texas
  • SEC Champion Bama

These are both teams that just might be good enough to win it all. 

Going from four to eight adds:
  • FSU
  • UGA
  • tOSU
  • Liberty


Liberty would get steamrolled but then you have FSU who a lot of people feel "earned" it by going undefeated a two teams that just might be good enough to win it all. 

Going from eight to 12 adds:
  • Oregon
  • Mizzou
  • Penn State
  • Ole Miss
I just see no reason to add those teams.  They are all 2-loss P5 teams that went 0-2 against "playoff caliber" teams.  I see no need to give them a third chance.  Oregon lost to Washington twice.  Mizzou is 2-2 against currently ranked teams with wins over TN and KSU who are both barely ranked and losses to LSU and UGA.  Penn State lost to both tOSU and M with the loss to Michigan happening on PSU's field.  They had two chances and went 0-2.  Ole Miss lost to two would-be playoff teams in Bama and UGA and beat none. 
« Last Edit: December 04, 2023, 11:24:03 AM by medinabuckeye1 »

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #371 on: December 04, 2023, 11:32:10 AM »
Agreed @medinabuckeye1 ...

I don't see why 12 teams had ANY advantage over 5+1+2. 

Especially since the PAC is gone they could have changed it to 4+1+3 and made room for one more at large. You know the SEC would want that. 

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #372 on: December 04, 2023, 11:44:24 AM »
8 teams would be plenty.  Probably too many most years.  

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #373 on: December 04, 2023, 11:49:51 AM »
couple things...

first, and get this out of the way, fsu got screwed. someone was going to get screwed, i though it'd be bama because it seemed like they had the least amount of complaint once screwed. i am both extremely happy bama got in, and kinda heartbroken for fsu for not. i do think bama is one of the best 4 teams right now, and fsu isn't, but that's discounting a whole hell of a lot of the season. also, i understand the whole injury thing and it changes a team, but man there's 84 more players busting their asses and you just screwed them and their accomplishments over because of an injury to 1 guy. suck so bad for them.

also not a fan of bama taking more heat for something that's not in their control. hate the system i guess is what i'm saying. like the bcs controversies, don't the teams that benefits from a f-ed up system, change the system.

going to 4 team cfp when there were 5 p5 plus nd, just stupid.

i think 6 could have been good, especially for something like this year. top 2 still sought after for the bye. can include all p5 if undefeated without controversy. can include undefeated nd or a g5 if worthy. have some games on campus early/mid december to break up the long wait. it just ticks a lot of the right boxes and not many of the wrong ones.

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #374 on: December 04, 2023, 11:51:38 AM »
Yeah I'm not trying to be pedantic and I truly do sympathize with FSU, they got a raw deal.

But if the point being made is that FSU>Alabama because FSU was undefeated against SEC teams and Alabama was not, well, the hypothesis is contrary to fact and therefore the logical conclusion is a fallacy.
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #375 on: December 04, 2023, 11:53:48 AM »
going to 4 team cfp when there were 5 p5 plus nd, just stupid.

i think 6 could have been good, 
ya stretching the schedule that much I/many have pointed out will just dilute the the talent pool as many sunday bound kids will be sitting
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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #376 on: December 04, 2023, 12:15:55 PM »
i do think bama is one of the best 4 teams right now
This is the part of the argument I simply can't wrap my head around. Last week they were the 8th best team. They beat Georgia. Big win against the team everyone thought was #1. Upsets happen. But the week before they needed a miracle to beat a very, very mediocre Auburn team. So what backing is there that Bama is one of the best 4 right now besides the Georgia win?

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #377 on: December 04, 2023, 12:35:58 PM »
This is the part of the argument I simply can't wrap my head around. Last week they were the 8th best team. They beat Georgia. Big win against the team everyone thought was #1. Upsets happen. But the week before they needed a miracle to beat a very, very mediocre Auburn team. So what backing is there that Bama is one of the best 4 right now besides the Georgia win?

This view doesn't have any context.  The committee ranks teams based on activities and achievements though the most recent week, but not beyond.  Things change from week to week, and several things changed from last week to this one.

So what happened to move Alabama from 8 to 4?

1) tOSU didn't play.  They fell one game behind the rest and they also didn't earn a conference championship, which is specifically listed as one of the criteria considerations to be a CFP team.  tOSU had reached the ceiling of what they were capable of, and the only way they were NOT going to drop, is if Texas and Alabama and Florida State lost.

2) Oregon lost.  2 losses, they're out.  I hope nobody is advocating that Oregon should have remained ahead of Alabama?

3) Alabama beat Georgia and with both of them having the same record, but Alabama having both the H2H win and a conference championship, the Tide moved ahead of Georgia.  Again, both of the bolded are specific criteria that the committee lists as being considered for making the CFP.

So that brings them up to 5, in an obvious and non-controversial way, IMO.

So again, the only controversy, is how did they move from 5, to 4, ahead of Florida State?

And I'd say THAT question has been pretty thoroughly debated.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2023, 12:40:59 PM by utee94 »

 

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