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rolltidefan

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Re: September 2 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #238 on: September 05, 2017, 01:05:03 PM »
Quote from: fezzador on September 05, 2017, 12:24:48 PM
I saw that, but the FSU QB's injury hogged up all the headlines Sunday morning.  Clemson can cement itself as the ACC favorite if it beats Auburn at home this weekend.
And yes, Bama should be fine.  The defense looks as strong as ever (you can place a team full of All Americans on offense - heck, maybe even mix in some NFL journeymen in there - and they still won't be able to run the ball on the Bama front 7).  Florida State did put up much more of a fight than the final score would indicate, as they kept the Bama O in check, but you just can't give them short field after short field after short field and expect the D to hold each and every time).
And FWIW, Damien Harris is Bama's best back.  Bo S. is good, but he's not Derrick Henry.

thank you! said this last year and all off season as well. we have a 1000 yard back returning, and it isn't bo.
and had fsu not turned ball over and flubbed in sp teams, that game could have gone either way. not sure what they do without francios, but with him they are a top 5 team.
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Re: September 2 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #239 on: September 05, 2017, 01:25:51 PM »
At Bama the players come off an assembly line. 

Injuries are not relevant with regards to their title hopes. 
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Re: September 2 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #240 on: September 05, 2017, 01:28:57 PM »
Yes, the FSU offensive miscues ultimately did them in, but I also think the Bama D and special teams deserve at least a little credit for that.  FSU was fortunate to have the athletes to prevent Francois' picks turn into pick-sixes, but Francois was clearly rattled in the second half and in hindsight should have been pulled after the second INT.  The Noles also did a fabulous job on defense all things considered - outside of D. Harris' one big 35 yarder, they kept Bama from running wild and limited Hurts to 96 yards passing on the night.

Bama seems to have certain vulnerabilities though (they can be thrown on, and the jury is still out on Hurts), but I still have a hard time finding a potential "L" on the schedule.  Maybe if A&M ever figures out that football is meant to be played 60 minutes instead of 45, or possibly the Iron Bowl, but I doubt it.  I think Clemson waxes AU in Death Valley.
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Re: September 2 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #241 on: September 05, 2017, 03:08:09 PM »
A&M doesn't even come close to having the lines to beat Alabama.  
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Re: September 2 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #242 on: September 05, 2017, 03:11:06 PM »
They didn't when they had JFF, either.  But to be fair, JFF was the only reason why A&M was competitive with Bama when they first joined the SEC.
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Re: September 2 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #243 on: September 05, 2017, 04:35:48 PM »
They had JFF and Aggie still needed multiple fluky plays to win that game, just like one of Ole Miss' recent wins.  Stuff happens.  They tend to go 7-1 in conference for whatever reasons.  Lightning could strike for A&M, but it's just that.  Not something you should look on paper and think "Hmm, they could win this game."   
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Re: September 2 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #244 on: September 05, 2017, 05:06:14 PM »
How many wins at the expense of Bama would you consider "fluky" since 2010 or so?  Both Auburn's Iron Bowl wins seem to be 'fluky'. Oklahoma lucked out because they played a very disinterested Bama in the '14 Sugar Bowl.  Bama was one last stop from beating Clemson last year.

The only game that comes to mind where Bama really got beat straight-up was, funnily enough, at the hands of Ohio State in the '15 Sugar Bowl.  No, it wasn't "ownage" (and I use that term lightly, because if Bama really wanted to be there, the final score likely would have been reversed in favor of Bama) like the previous year's Sugar Bowl, but Ohio State did not need luck to beat Bama that time.
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Re: September 2 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #245 on: September 05, 2017, 06:08:53 PM »
Ole Miss beat Bama a few years back with 5 turnovers to zero.

Georgia almost beat them in 2012 I think it was in the CG off a blocked FG returned for a TD.
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Re: September 2 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #246 on: September 05, 2017, 06:21:23 PM »
One things that stands out with FSU is 27 rushing attempts for 40 yards rushing.  When you hold the opposition to that sort of figure, which is what Bama does, you are likely to win.  I know that includes some negative yardage.

Bama's very simple mantra is "Stop the run and play a clean game on special teams with fewer TOs.".

On occasion, some brilliant performance by a QB can beat them (Manziel, and Clemson's QB).  In recent history, the only team I saw line up and beat them mano a mano was Ohio State.  That was an impressive win, no fluke.
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Re: September 2 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #247 on: September 05, 2017, 06:33:49 PM »
Quote from: fezzador on September 05, 2017, 05:06:14 PM
How many wins at the expense of Bama would you consider "fluky" since 2010 or so?  Both Auburn's Iron Bowl wins seem to be 'fluky'. Oklahoma lucked out because they played a very disinterested Bama in the '14 Sugar Bowl.  Bama was one last stop from beating Clemson last year.

The only game that comes to mind where Bama really got beat straight-up was, funnily enough, at the hands of Ohio State in the '15 Sugar Bowl.  No, it wasn't "ownage" (and I use that term lightly, because if Bama really wanted to be there, the final score likely would have been reversed in favor of Bama) like the previous year's Sugar Bowl, but Ohio State did not need luck to beat Bama that time.
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If Bama really wanted to be there? In the playoffs? Where else would they rather have been?
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Re: September 2 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #248 on: September 05, 2017, 07:00:06 PM »
Quote from: fezzador on September 05, 2017, 05:06:14 PM
How many wins at the expense of Bama would you consider "fluky" since 2010 or so?  Both Auburn's Iron Bowl wins seem to be 'fluky'. Oklahoma lucked out because they played a very disinterested Bama in the '14 Sugar Bowl.  Bama was one last stop from beating Clemson last year.

The only game that comes to mind where Bama really got beat straight-up was, funnily enough, at the hands of Ohio State in the '15 Sugar Bowl.  No, it wasn't "ownage" (and I use that term lightly, because if Bama really wanted to be there, the final score likely would have been reversed in favor of Bama) like the previous year's Sugar Bowl, but Ohio State did not need luck to beat Bama that time.
Three off the top of my head.  One of the Ole Miss games with a ridiculous amount of crazy turnovers, the aforementioned A&M game, and the 2013 Auburn game...largely well played by Auburn, but I'm forced to admit winning on a kick-6 is crazy and not likely to be repeated in 10 tries.  Oklahoma and the rest of them in that time span, you just have to give credit to the other teams.  It's erroneous to guess at Alabama's interest level against the Sooners, I have no way of knowing, and I give Bama's players and coaching staff more credit than that.  OU played on fire that night, just like Watson and Clemson did, I think they just get due credit.  Ole Miss mostly just played a better game the other time they beat them, it happens.  LSU won because up until 2-3 years ago, LSU's roster = their roster, albeit with serious deficiencies at QB, but those aren't flukes, it's just a great roster accustomed to operating a game plan hiding terrible QB play.  That's all the teams I can think of to beat them in that time frame.  
The comment about Ohio State is baffling.  It was the playoffs, and the first year of the playoffs at that.  I can't imagine Alabama wanting to be anywhere else.  
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Re: September 2 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #249 on: September 05, 2017, 09:07:13 PM »
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Re: September 2 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #250 on: September 06, 2017, 08:52:21 AM »
Week 1 sim tourney projections

     WESTERN KENTUCKY
  2 OHIO STATE
NOON - espn2

     WESTERN MICHIGAN
  3 CLEMSON
1:30 - ESPN

10 FLORIDA STATE
  8 MICHIGAN
3:00 - ABC

     APPALACHIAN STATE
  1 ALABAMA
4:30 - espn2

     BOISE STATE
  4 PENN STATE
6:00 - ESPN

  9 WISCONSIN
  7 WASHINGTON
7:30 - ABC

21 SOUTH FLORIDA
  5 OKLAHOMA
9:00 - espn2

11 OKLAHOMA STATE
  6 USC
10:30 - ESPN
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Re: September 2 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #251 on: September 06, 2017, 09:43:35 AM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on September 05, 2017, 07:00:06 PM
Three off the top of my head.  One of the Ole Miss games with a ridiculous amount of crazy turnovers, the aforementioned A&M game, and the 2013 Auburn game...largely well played by Auburn, but I'm forced to admit winning on a kick-6 is crazy and not likely to be repeated in 10 tries.  Oklahoma and the rest of them in that time span, you just have to give credit to the other teams.  It's erroneous to guess at Alabama's interest level against the Sooners, I have no way of knowing, and I give Bama's players and coaching staff more credit than that.  OU played on fire that night, just like Watson and Clemson did, I think they just get due credit.  Ole Miss mostly just played a better game the other time they beat them, it happens.  LSU won because up until 2-3 years ago, LSU's roster = their roster, albeit with serious deficiencies at QB, but those aren't flukes, it's just a great roster accustomed to operating a game plan hiding terrible QB play.  That's all the teams I can think of to beat them in that time frame.  
The comment about Ohio State is baffling.  It was the playoffs, and the first year of the playoffs at that.  I can't imagine Alabama wanting to be anywhere else.  
pretty much this.
fluke things happen in games you dominate too. doesn't mean you didn't play a very good game and deserve the win.
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