Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

I do think that's why Michigan is appealing.  The penalty is nothing.  But the pretending like they are "above this" is gone.  Every quote Harbaugh gave is complete BS.  Leaders and Best?  BS.  That's fine.  You won.  Auburn also won a national title.  UNLV basketball and SMU football were amazing for a minute.  Michigan won a title, it's never going away.  But their best period of baseball ended in a cheating scandal that got their coach fired.  Their best period of basketball ended in a cheating scandal that got their coach fired.  Their best period of football ended in a cheating scandal that got their coach banned for 14 years.  They win a lot, but they also have to be ok with that being their legacy.  A lot of OSU/MSU fans are butthurt the penalties weren't more tangible.  And a lot of UM fans are butthurt that this is their new legacy.

Lock the Thread

It is kinda funny. 

But the way I look it, Ohio State broke UM.  They used to be respected but as Hairball said, we are going to win that game or die trying. Now, it’s been  proven.  What they discovered was a comprehensive, well organized, well funded years long practice of completely illegal advanced scouting. Everything those “ bucknutjobs” said UM did, was spot on.  Including the cover up, destruction of evidence, obstruction of the investigation, and a general culture of non compliance.  They nailed all that.  And even though the show cause for Harbaugh is not hurting UM- a 10 year shows you just what a sleazebag the NCAA found him to be. 
The only thing those “nut jobs” got wrong was the penalty.  But the entire sports world, outside of Michigan fans, agrees the penalties are far too light for the first and only in game cheating in CFB.
The financial penalties are stiff- precedent setting- so there is that.
So you can enjoy that they got away with it and enjoy the fact that all the other teams and fan bases don’t agree.  If that’s your view of the world.  You can guess what it does to your credibility.

I am just glad the drama is over. 

I’m glad it’s over as well. 

And you’re right, Ohio State broke Michigan first, wasn’t much of a rivalry there for like 20 years. Shoe is on the other foot and Ohio State fan base doesn’t know how to handle it. 

They just won a natty and they are melting down on the internets that Michigan didn’t get the death penalty. It’s kind of hilarious. 

Ohio State has to go to Ann Arbor in Nov, and if Day drops 5 in a row to Michigan the fans are going to be out for blood- even though the guy has an insane record, just won a natty, and Ohio State in all likelyhood is going to be a 11-1 or 10-2 playoff team even if they lose to Michigan. 

It’s almost like they hate Michigan more than they love their own team. And as a hateful person myself, I respect it. 

Well Mario,1st I'll wear it but that's '24s team not the '23 squad,apples/oranges.When 2 supposed Gurus - Day/Kelly kept running up the gut against Ms one proven strong spot DT(instead of speading it around) everyone in the Pub was screaming at the tube.Even though Howard had a huge knot on his hand in the 1st half. He still had a nice drive before the half that tied it up with a TD toss to Smith. Then they target Smith once in the 2nd half . I wasn't the only one that noticed

Well Mario,1st I'll wear it but that's '24s team not the '23 squad,apples/oranges.When 2 supposed Gurus - Day/Kelly kept running up the gut against Ms one proven strong spot DT(instead of speading it around) everyone in the Pub was screaming at the tube.Even though Howard had a huge knot on his hand in the 1st half. He still had a nice drive before the half that tied it up with a TD toss to Smith. Then they target Smith once in the 2nd half . I wasn't the only one that noticed

Are you messing with me? Graham was on the ‘23 and ‘24 team. I actually think your argument furthers the point. The talent was ridiculously stacked on the 23 team that you can’t just look at year 1 of the NFL because there was also a ton of talent that contributed to the ‘23 title that didn’t hit the NFL until this year. Graham, Loveland, Grant, Will Johnson. First three were taken in the first 13 picks.

Are you messing with me? Graham was on the ‘23 and ‘24 team. I actually think your argument furthers the point. The talent was ridiculously stacked on the 23 team that you can’t just look at year 1 of the NFL because there was also a ton of talent that contributed to the ‘23 title that didn’t hit the NFL until this year. Graham, Loveland, Grant, Will Johnson. First three were taken in the first 13 picks.

Really the stats don't lie,screaming they went to M doesn't make the NFL stand up and take notice. That '23 senior class haven't impressed,much cage rattling that they indeed knew the opponents plays because teams spent some good choices with little so far to show.Better pick up their game this season - NFL has players have short shelf lives and one season is already on the books. Lets look at Johnson last yr. 12 solo tackles,14 combined 2 picks in 6 games,meh,¯\_ (ツ)_/¯. sat 7 games because of a hammy? Pretty sure it doesn't get any easier on Sundays

The man who chucked his cell phone into a pond to throw them off the trail is firing back

You cantell he's lying when he moves his lips.Remember how they didn't do it?Then they did but it didn't make a difference, then it was well everyone does it.Even Portnoy on the netflix docu said Connor admitted it was him on the side line @ CMU

I actually think every time he does anything it helps Michigan.  He may have just been an idiot, paid by idiots, to cheat, to nobody's benefit, except his own