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Topic: Retirement / What am I working for?

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« Reply #700 on: August 26, 2026, 09:47:25 AM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/22/retirement-health-costs-fidelity.html

Here's a recent source for such OOP med expenses jn retirement.


"Most pre-retirees — 54% — incorrectly expect Medicare will cover all of their health expenses, according to Fidelity research." 

I recently attended some retirement planning presentations our HR department sponsored, which covered the pensions, 403b/457's, and SS.  I was dismayed at their statistics describing what much of the population thinks about retirement.  Such as, "43% of people assume Social Security will cover their current salary when they retire."  (It's not 43%, I made that up because I don't remember the number.  But it was high, and you get the idea.)

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« Reply #701 on: August 26, 2026, 10:05:54 AM »
Yeah, I recently looked up my expected SS benefits. 

If I work until 70 and don't take benefits until then, I'll get the max SS benefit. Which is less than my current monthly take-home pay including taxes, 401k contributions, ESPP contributions, HSA contributions, and excluding any non-monthly compensation (like annual incentive pay). 

So yeah, I don't expect it to replace my income. Not even close. 

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« Reply #702 on: August 26, 2026, 10:07:19 AM »
It was never intended to, but that's not the perception many people have about it, apparently.  

Singapore mandates their citizens contribute to retirement plans.  

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« Reply #703 on: August 26, 2026, 10:14:02 AM »
Just as an FYI in case this helps anyone or clears something up:

Don't forget that you can sign up for Medicare at 65, and if you aren't covered on a group insurance plan, you should.  You will be increasingly penalized (with higher premiums, I believe) the longer you wait to get on it.  I know, it doesn't make sense, you'd think it should work the other way around, but that's how it is. 

Alternatively, many people mistakenly believe they have to sign up at 65 or they'll be penalized.  The government kind of does send that message, imo, but that impression is mistaken.  You're only penalized for signing up after age 65 if you aren't covered on a group plan.  So if you work until you're 67 and you want to keep your company insurance until then, you won't have adverse consequences resulting from that.  

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« Reply #704 on: August 26, 2026, 10:15:05 AM »
Welp, still gainfully employed as of 9:15 AM.  

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« Reply #705 on: August 26, 2026, 10:16:11 AM »
Welp, still gainfully employed as of 9:15 AM. 
Darn.  Sorry to hear that.  Fingers crossed for a better outcome tomorrow! :)

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« Reply #706 on: August 26, 2026, 10:18:16 AM »
Welp, still gainfully employed as of 9:15 AM. 

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« Reply #707 on: August 26, 2026, 10:19:43 AM »
For @Gigem , the answer to "What am I working for?" at this point, is "Because they won't lay me off."  

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« Reply #708 on: August 26, 2026, 10:34:57 AM »
For @Gigem , the answer to "What am I working for?" at this point, is "Because they won't lay me off." 
I haven't decided yet if I just ride this thing out or what.  I've had 4 bosses since June (no joke).  I may have mentioned it in this thread or another that we had a major restructuring so things are very chaotic.  

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« Reply #709 on: August 26, 2026, 10:41:01 AM »
I haven't decided yet if I just ride this thing out or what.  I've had 4 bosses since June (no joke).  I may have mentioned it in this thread or another that we had a major restructuring so things are very chaotic. 


For a small fee, I'll badmouth you to your company, and maybe they'll think harder about handing you that severance package.  

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Re: Retirement / What am I working for?
« Reply #710 on: August 26, 2026, 10:47:24 AM »
In my limited experience with healthcare, Medicare is "good".  

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« Reply #711 on: August 26, 2026, 11:35:09 AM »
It (by which I mean, Parts A and B) definitely has its advantages to Medicare replacement plans (Part C).  One of the downsides is....I think....no OOP max.  Depending on the situation, that could get hairy. 

It also has an unintuitive deductible structure for Part A, hospital services.  It's not annual, but rather based on "hospital benefit periods," which I think basically translates to "per hospital stay."  So you can have multiple deductibles per year. 

That said, I've mentioned some of the very real, undesirable drawbacks to the replacement plans. 

From what I've seen with our patients at the clinic I used to work for, and my grandmother, people with Medicare (A & B) + secondary coverage, often through a continuation of their job's insurance in retirement, but also there's independent plans you can sign up for, have the best of all worlds.  They have their cake and eat it too, so to speak*.  The only tradeoff I'm aware of is you have to be able to afford the premiums for that situation.  Many of our patients could not, and that's why we had so many people on Part C plans.  They could afford the monthly costs (which are often $0), but they faced many unwanted challenges when it came to actually accessing healthcare. 




* I suppose Medicare + an HSA like @MarqHusker talks about could be comparable, again, depending on the circumstances and health of the patient.  I don't personally know anyone who had an HSA, and I wouldn't have been involved in that aspect of their billing/coverage anyway.  Ergo, I'm not too familiar with the ups and downs of HSA's.  

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Re: Retirement / What am I working for?
« Reply #712 on: August 26, 2026, 12:05:14 PM »
My "other issue" in retirement is "elapsed time", before I leave this wonderful world.  I retired at 58, my family is fairly long lived, so I "figured" on the real possibility of 40+ more years.  Then one can "do some math" about how to shepherd one's savings over that period.  What has surprised me is how much my retirement fund has appreciated.  I had "hoped" I could hold the number constant while living a reasonably comfortable life.  That number has doubled, while I have lived a somewhat luxurious life.  

I did get some inheritance from my parents which mostly went to paying off the condo.  But my notion now is, if you retire "early", don't invest for "widows and orphans" entirely, include some Apples and Costcos in the mix, while holding back enough to "survive" five years.  My wife is very frugal, as I was for decades, so at times we have to talk about whether to spend $$ on something like flying premium versus Comfort, or taking another cruise.

Anyway, don't be scared of having SOME "techie" stocks in your portfolios.  Or maybe include XLK as an ETF etc.

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« Reply #713 on: August 26, 2026, 12:14:42 PM »
My IRA is balanced aggressively, at the moment, and it is fairly heavy on the tech stocks contained within the fund.  Suits me just fine either way, I'm still pretty far out from retirement.  I know a bad market is coming sometime between now and then, it's just a matter of when.  I'm happier with the fund's performance having requested the "aggressive" approach.  It's performed like gangbusters the last several years, well above the projected performance of some more moderate risk balances, and I'm happy with that. 

As I approach retirement, I'll likely rebalanced "safer" more and more.  I guess.  I don't really know what the best strategy is.  I figure I've some time to figure it out.  

"Doing the math," as you say, says that the market you retire into is a big deal.  The first several years make a difference in how long your retirement may last and also how much you're able to wisely withdraw from it.  Someone who retire into a boom should, on average, be better off long-term than someone who retires into a recession.  Don't know if there's much to be done about that.  When I'm done working, I'm done.  I don't see myself putting in extra years if the market outlook isn't good.  We'll see.  

 

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