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FearlessF

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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #210 on: December 16, 2020, 04:22:07 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 16, 2020, 04:19:04 PM
I know it's been stated, but the issue for Cincy (and Boise, and other teams like that in the past) is getting a P5 to even put you on the schedule. It's a no-win for a school like Michigan to schedule Cincy, or Appy State.
it's not easy, but it can be done
go 2 for 1
if that won't fly go 2 for 1 neutral

or 3-1
or 2 for 0 like FSU did back in the day

just excuses
like I said, they don't want it bad enough, they'd like someone to give it to them.
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« Reply #211 on: December 16, 2020, 04:25:06 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 16, 2020, 04:19:04 PM
I know it's been stated, but the issue for Cincy (and Boise, and other teams like that in the past) is getting a P5 to even put you on the schedule. It's a no-win for a school like Michigan to schedule Cincy, or Appy State.
Well, usually what IMHO scuttles it for many of these teams is that the G5 wants a home and home, or at least a 2 for 1, and if they're not getting a return game in their own stadium they want a paycheck. 

What do you think a typical P5 team would do if Cincy or any other high-end G5 said "we'll come play, in your stadium, free, no strings or return game requirements attached"?

Against a team like that you're going to get a sellout in your stadium, rather than the lukewarm response you get when you bring in a pastry, you might get showcased on a better TV network than FS2 or BTN-alternate, and you earn an extra ~$1M against todays paycheck game rates because you don't need to pay them off. 

Would Michigan be more willing to schedule Cincinnati if it cost them zero and they never had to worry about a return game? How many P5 teams would jump at the chance of having 8+ home games nearly every year?
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« Reply #212 on: December 16, 2020, 04:25:48 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 16, 2020, 04:18:08 PM
but, they've done nothing to earn it.

I've heard enough of, "no good teams want to play us, because we might beat them"
cincy can absolutely put better competition on the schedule, but they are not doing it.

The schedule doesn't even have to be as good as an SEC team or a B1G team, but it needs to be MUCH better than is was this season.  They aren't even trying.
Nebraska is a good "name" to have on the schedule, but Ohio St. isn't getting credit for beating Nebraska.  Why should Cincy?
I can't find their schedule for 2020 before Covid wrecked everything. Last season they played UCLA and at OSU. In 2018 they played at UCLA. Next year they play at Indiana and at Notre Dame. 2022 they play at Arky and they play Indiana.

I'd say they are trying.
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« Reply #213 on: December 16, 2020, 04:28:23 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on December 16, 2020, 04:25:06 PM
Would Michigan be more willing to schedule Cincinnati if it cost them zero and they never had to worry about a return game? How many P5 teams would jump at the chance of having 8+ home games nearly every year?
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« Reply #214 on: December 16, 2020, 04:28:51 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 16, 2020, 04:25:48 PM
I can't find their schedule for 2020 before Covid wrecked everything. Last season they played UCLA and at OSU. In 2018 they played at UCLA. Next year they play at Indiana and at Notre Dame. 2022 they play at Arky and they play Indiana.

I'd say they are trying.
good try, now if you'd like to take it up a notch
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« Reply #215 on: December 16, 2020, 04:32:00 PM »
They are in a conference. They have to play those games first and foremost, or go independent. The latter is not going to happen. BYU has a hard time getting games, and they have more cache than Cincy.
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« Reply #216 on: December 16, 2020, 04:32:16 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 16, 2020, 04:22:07 PM
it's not easy, but it can be done
go 2 for 1
if that won't fly go 2 for 1 neutral

or 3-1
or 2 for 0 like FSU did back in the day

just excuses
like I said, they don't want it bad enough, they'd like someone to give it to them.
They still have an athletic budget though that home football games play a big part in meeting.  You can’t just give up home games several years in a row in the hopes you get lucky one year and land in the playoff or that you get a P5 invite.
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #217 on: December 16, 2020, 04:50:33 PM »
UC's shot is to do well enough at G5 to get invited, just as Louisville did, and others.

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« Reply #218 on: December 16, 2020, 04:57:55 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on December 16, 2020, 04:32:16 PM
They still have an athletic budget though that home football games play a big part in meeting.  You can’t just give up home games several years in a row in the hopes you get lucky one year and land in the playoff or that you get a P5 invite.
then they really don't want to be with the big boys enough to be one of the big boys

just be a little boy and cry about being left out
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #219 on: December 16, 2020, 05:00:00 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 16, 2020, 04:50:33 PM
UC's shot is to do well enough at G5 to get invited, just as Louisville did, and others.


yup, they will need to get VERY lucky and have only 3 undefeated or 1-loss P5 teams
and then they will have to go undefeated and have some luck as to the strength of their schedule

probably never happen

a helluva long shot
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« Reply #220 on: December 16, 2020, 05:41:08 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 16, 2020, 04:20:18 PM
he can't, or he chooses not too?

my take is they don't want it bad enough.  If they don't want it enough to go prove it on the field, then they can quit whining.
Yes, but that take is easy. It ignores the fact that these teams are not playing to lose three games a year on the off chance a gatekeeper will say at the end "OK, now you've done enough." 

Now if the standard is, they must earn it, but the other half of the schools get to inherit what someone else earned, well it means that word "earn" is hollow as a dump. 

Football teams can't play four home games a year. If the answer is the only way to earn that is to do something fantastical for years and years, then it can't really be earned at all. Might as well just convince donors to give $500 million to buy their way into the Big 12. And all of a sudden, they'd have "earned" their way in. 
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« Reply #221 on: December 16, 2020, 05:42:29 PM »
Frankly, I find it amazing that people are actually rooting for college football's power structure. Like how dare a team be good despite not playing in the Big 12.
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #222 on: December 16, 2020, 05:42:58 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 16, 2020, 04:50:33 PM
UC's shot is to do well enough at G5 to get invited, just as Louisville did, and others.


Which means it's not really earned at all. IF you're G5, you're not allowed. And that's fine, but don't throw around "earn" like the players or coaches could be doing a damn thing more. 
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #223 on: December 16, 2020, 05:43:28 PM »
I'm for including an undefeated Cincy.  Better them than UGA.
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