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CWSooner

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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #98 on: December 14, 2020, 09:26:31 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 14, 2020, 03:18:41 PM
ND beat Clemson of course and UNC, and that's about it for them as well.

I'd like to see Cincy get a shot.
I'd like to see Tulsa beat Cincy.  Cincy dodged 'em twice with COVID issues and got out of playing in Tulsa (where 25% occupancy of Skelly Field would have looked like a normal crowd).  Or maybe it was Tulsa's problem first and Cincy's second.
Tulsa woulda/coulda/shoulda beaten FoSu in the season opener.  If they had, Tulsa-Cincy in the AAC CCG would be a reasonably important game.
OTOH, if frogs had wings . . . .
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« Reply #99 on: December 14, 2020, 09:29:09 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on December 14, 2020, 09:08:20 PM
The computers are a bit short on data this year.  Their rankings get more valid the more games are played.

Most (all?) of them start with ranking biased toward last year's final results, and they get more "accurate" as they get more data.

Remember the bruhaha in 2014 about needing "one more data point" being the rationale for Baylor and TCU both getting passed by, was it Ohio State?, because the Big 12 didn't have a CCG?

As I said, I think Ohio State is better than USC.  But I don't understand the large disparity in their CFP rankings.
I still think that was because they didn't like Baylor, couldn't put in TCU and OSU allowed them to dodge the question. (OSU was obviously quite good, but didn't seem so at the time)
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« Reply #100 on: December 14, 2020, 09:43:45 PM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on December 14, 2020, 03:58:28 PM
I just see everyone here assuming that ND will get blown out Saturday. They won the last matchup and not because Sunshine was out. The Tigers backup QB held his own. The problem for Clemson that night was the defense gave up a ton of points. And I don't see why that would change this time.
Ummm.....
the backup QB played well....so imagine what Sunshine would do
the defense gave up a ton of points...because the offense wasn't consistently holding the ball on long drives
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The reason it would change is because it's all connected.  Clemson couldn't run the ball because that's all ND had to key on.  And that's what led to the backup QB putting up good numbers.  They held Etienne down (career 7.2 ypc).  
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« Reply #101 on: December 14, 2020, 09:46:54 PM »
All the haves are wanting to avoid the 4 seed.  The have-nots want it.  


I guess they're masochists.  
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« Reply #102 on: December 14, 2020, 10:47:53 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on December 14, 2020, 09:29:09 PM
I still think that was because they didn't like Baylor, couldn't put in TCU and OSU allowed them to dodge the question. (OSU was obviously quite good, but didn't seem so at the time)
Ding, ding, ding!  Me too.  I’ve always thought the committee liked TCU better than Ohio St and Baylor but couldn’t justify putting them in.
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« Reply #103 on: December 14, 2020, 10:52:25 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on December 14, 2020, 10:47:53 PM
Ding, ding, ding!  Me too.  I’ve always thought the committee liked TCU better than Ohio St and Baylor but couldn’t justify putting them in.
I believe TCU won 49-3 and moved down 2 spots?  Ugh.

The ultimate injustice was pitting TCU vs Boise State that one year.  Because of that bit of nonsense, we still have people wanting Cincinnati in this year's playoff.  
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« Reply #104 on: December 14, 2020, 10:59:34 PM »
4 spots, 5 Big boy conferences

Cincy - no chance

undefeated USC would have a better chance
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« Reply #105 on: December 14, 2020, 11:03:16 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on December 14, 2020, 10:47:53 PM
Ding, ding, ding!  Me too.  I’ve always thought the committee liked TCU better than Ohio St and Baylor but couldn’t justify putting them in.
TCU had a much better argument against tOSU than Baylor did. They had to treat Baylor as the B12's #1 and that made it pretty easy.
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« Reply #106 on: December 14, 2020, 11:04:51 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on December 14, 2020, 11:03:16 PM
TCU had a much better argument against tOSU than Baylor did. They had to treat Baylor as the B12's #1 and that made it pretty easy.
Yep
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« Reply #107 on: December 14, 2020, 11:14:53 PM »
The committee makes their choice based on opinion, and reverse engineers the narrative to rationalize it.  

Every time.  And not just the 4 teams- the order as well to ensure they get the matchups they want.  

This year will be no different.  
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« Reply #108 on: December 14, 2020, 11:50:02 PM »
the truth
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« Reply #109 on: December 15, 2020, 08:33:54 AM »
Evidence against Cincinnati:  a game against Tulsa improves their schedule.  
No.  No, no, no.  That should be like the 6th or 8th or 10th-best team you play in a year.  Tulsa should never be a big feather in your cap.  
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #110 on: December 15, 2020, 08:46:14 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 14, 2020, 11:14:53 PM
The committee makes their choice based on opinion, and reverse engineers the narrative to rationalize it. 

Every time.  And not just the 4 teams- the order as well to ensure they get the matchups they want. 

This year will be no different. 
I think that is true to a certain extent, but results trump opinion sometimes.  I really believe a lot of committee members in an honest moment would have told you they really thought TCU deserved to be in the top 4 but couldn’t rationalize doing it based on the results of the season.  I think a lot of them probably were of the opinion in 2015 that Ohio St was one of the four best teams in the country but couldn’t put them there based on the results of the season.

So, I don’t entirely accept they do what they want and reverse engineer their rationale.
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« Reply #111 on: December 15, 2020, 09:32:43 AM »
If Cincy gets in and the loses 63-3, the next few years could change.
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