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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #322 on: December 04, 2019, 03:41:37 PM »
the Big 12 has quite a quandary
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #323 on: December 04, 2019, 03:43:11 PM »
the Big 12 has quite a quandary
Theoretically, yes.

In reality, I don't suspect the refs will do anything nefarious or intentional, and the outcome of the B12 CCG will be what it may.

Baylor's got a decent shot to win, but if someone forced me to bet money, I'd have to put it on the Sooners.

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #324 on: December 04, 2019, 05:02:13 PM »
If Baylor wins and Utah and UGA lose, I see no alternative to Baylor being in.  I'm fine with that.

I think if LSU loses somehow, the Interwebs will light up about choosing 12-1 LSU versus 12-1 Baylor/Utah/OU.  I think LSU would still get in, they'd monkey the order to the rematch would not be the next game somehow.
If the favorites all win otherwise, no monkeying will be necessary. tOSU and Clemson would be 1/2 while UGA/LSU would be 3/4.

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #325 on: December 04, 2019, 05:22:07 PM »
A 12-1 LSU would have a better resume than a 12-1 UGA, aside from the H-2-H thingee.

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #326 on: December 04, 2019, 05:23:11 PM »
I think between LSU, Clemson, and Ohio State, we have three of the best looking teams I've seen as a trio in a while.  None of them have obvious warts other than a somewhat porous LSU defense.  Clemson may be untested, but they were last season as well.

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #327 on: December 04, 2019, 07:27:46 PM »
I view refs like I do George W. Bush....more a competence issue than willfully dishonest.  Not making this a political thing at all, and recent history has rendered him harmless, so I'm not trying to be mean here.


But when something is amiss, there's a sliding scale with incompetence on one end and a lack of ethics on the other.  Refereeing isn't like every other job, but one important part of it is like every other job - they want to do a good job.  None of them want to be the weak link - same with a road crew or a teacher at a school or a suit in an office.  


If a ref has an epic-bad call, it's because he was incompetent, not in on a fix.
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #328 on: December 04, 2019, 07:43:03 PM »
Each fan base has a lot of "members" who see ref bias in just about every close game.  Oddly, they rarely notice when some marginal call goes their way.
This is true.  Crooked/incompetent refs always err in favor of the other team.
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #329 on: December 05, 2019, 07:51:42 AM »
I used to ref rec soccer, U11 to U18.  I think any of us who have reffed even at that level have some appreciation for the difficulty.

And 17 year olds playing rec soccer are not as fast as college football players in general.  But, it makes for a fine excuse if your team loses to blame the zebs, and on occasion it is warranted, but 20 years from now it's still an L.

(An aside, in the recent Tec-UGA game, the commentators were talking about the last time Tech won in Atlanta, 1999 I think, on a clear bad call on a fumble in the end zone to end the game.  It was pretty annoying to me, I recalled the events clearly, and it made me unhappy when it happened, but it's still an L.)

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #330 on: December 05, 2019, 09:02:08 AM »
I am a high school football official. Philosophically we only call what we see from beginning to end. We do not call something that has no effect on the play, i.e. a hold by a player 20 yards from the point of attack (unless it is a takedown). We say before each game make what you call big.

My issue with College and pro officials has nothing to do with miss calls. We all miss calls. We cannot see everything. My issue is the over officiating. Making calls that were penalties because they "think" they were but didn't see all the action associated with the call. Making calls that have absolutely nothing to do with the play even though technically correct. Too often a call is made that is wrong and it changes the game if not determining the outcome. 

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #331 on: December 05, 2019, 09:19:55 AM »
The worst officials are MLB. They think they are the show.

Officials seem to like to be on TV, in general.

I've noticed, over the years, that there seems to be a connection to how a game is called versus what the weather is doing. Cold, snow, pouring rain.. a lot less calls get made. Has anyone else noticed this?
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #332 on: December 05, 2019, 09:32:36 AM »
The worst officials are MLB. They think they are the show.

Officials seem to like to be on TV, in general.

I've noticed, over the years, that there seems to be a connection to how a game is called versus what the weather is doing. Cold, snow, pouring rain.. a lot less calls get made. Has anyone else noticed this?
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #333 on: December 05, 2019, 10:02:59 AM »
Most will think that a coach like Pelini will spite the officials enough to have some calls go against his team that otherwise would not
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #334 on: December 05, 2019, 10:20:20 AM »
A 12-1 LSU would have a better resume than a 12-1 UGA, aside from the H-2-H thingee.
As far as avoiding a rematch is concerned it wouldn't matter unless tOSU or Clemson also lose.  

I think that if tOSU, Clemson, and UGA all win the playoff rankings would be:
  • Ohio State
  • Clemson
  • Georgia
  • LSU


If the committee agrees with you and puts LSU ahead of UGA anyway it still doesn't create a rematch, it just rearranges the matchups.  

The semi-finals are in Atlanta and Tempe and #1 is guaranteed NOT to be at a geographic disadvantage.  Thus, if Ohio State is #1 they will not be in Atlanta against a team from the Southeast (Clemson, UGA, LSU) so whichever of LSU/UGA ended up 4th would play tOSU in the Fiesta Bowl while the other played Clemson in the Peach Bowl.  

Assuming Ohio State wins, if they get Utah that game would have to be in Atlanta because they would not send #1 to Arizona (a state that borders Utah) to play #4 MUCH closer to #4's campus.  

Assuming that Ohio State, Clemson, and LSU win, the fourth team would determine the location for both games but that is dependent on the committee not leap-frogging LSU over tOSU based on LSU beating #4 UGA while tOSU beats #8 UW.  

If LSU did leap-frog Ohio State then you have to assume that the Tigers would get the Peach Bowl (against either OU, Baylor, or Utah) while tOSU would get Clemson in the desert.  

If Ohio State stays at #1 then I would assume that they would get the Peach Bowl because any plausible #4 would be closer to Tempe than Columbus is.  

Assuming that Ohio State wins the B1GCG, I think that their possible bowl opponents/locations are:
  • Utah in the Peach Bowl if all the favorites win and Utah's win is at least comparable to OU's.  
  • Oklahoma in the Peach Bowl if OU wins and Utah either loses or looks weaker than OU in a close win.  
  • Baylor in the Peach Bowl if Oregon and Baylor win their CG's.  
  • LSU in the Fiesta Bowl if UGA beats LSU.  
  • Clemson in the Fiesta Bowl if LSU beats UGA and leapfrogs Ohio State.  

If Ohio State loses I think they would probably make the playoffs anyway but who knows which spot or opponent they would end up with.  My guess is that they would be #3 and play Clemson in Tempe.  

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #335 on: December 05, 2019, 10:24:14 AM »
UGA-Clemson in ATL would sell out rather dramatically I suspect if it happened (duh).  OSU-LSU in Tempe is not really a geographic advantage for OSU versus ATL.  OSU might prefer ATL even playing Clemson or even UGA.  Tempe is harder to get to for most teams than Atlanta.  They have a rather large airport here.

I am strangely optimistic about the Dawgs' chances.  I rather suspect it is in part because my logical brain does not expect a W, so the pressure is off so to speak.




 

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