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Cincydawg

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #140 on: November 28, 2019, 07:34:25 AM »
I'm not worried about Bama getting in (barring mayhem).  Maybe that is wishful thinking.  They would be behind any 12-1 conference champion, and there likely will be 4 at that mark or better.  They also have to beat Auburn on the road, which is not a sure thing of course.

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #141 on: November 28, 2019, 10:21:32 AM »
agreed
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #142 on: November 28, 2019, 11:03:58 AM »
I think Tua's injury just saved Utah/OU's chances.  
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #143 on: November 28, 2019, 11:08:12 AM »
it certainly helped

I'm not sure the committee would toss out the PAC and the BIG 12, because of the out cry
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #144 on: November 28, 2019, 11:23:57 AM »
Bama obviously needs some things to happen, probably for OSU to beat OU etc.  If we have two P5 champions with two losses, and they beat Auburn, they MIGHT get in.

They also need LSU to beat UGA.  That's a lot of needs I think.

But, imagine all that happens, LSU and Clemson are 13-0.  OSU/Minny is 12-1 or 13-0, so one slot is left, two conference champions at 11-2 and Bama.

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #145 on: November 28, 2019, 05:01:55 PM »
one loss Bamma gets the nod over 2 loss champs

and I'm fine with that
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #146 on: November 29, 2019, 08:41:50 AM »
Lets look at the "bubble" teams and what they need to have happen.  For this purpose I am excluding tOSU, LSU, Clemson, and UGA because for each of them it is clear that if they win out, they are in.  

Here is each "Bubble" team's best-case-scenario:
#5 Bama:

  • They win out, and
  • LSU wins out, and
  • Clemson loses (@USCe, vs UVA/VaTech winner), and
  • tOSU wins out, and
  • Utah loses (vsColorado or vs Oregon), and
  • Oklahoma loses to OkSU but beats Baylor).

In that case LSU and tOSU would be obviously in as 13-0 SEC and B1G Champs.  The P12 and B12 Champs would have at least two losses and the ACC Champ would either be a weak SoS 12-1 Clemson or worse.  I think Bama would clearly get one of the other two spots.  

#6 Utah:

  • They win out (vs Colorado, vs Oregon), and
  • Oregon beats OrSU (to improve the look of Utah's P12CG win), and
  • Bama loses at Auburn, and
  • tOSU wins out, and
  • LSU wins out, and
  • Oklahoma loses to OkSU but beats Baylor, and

In that case LSU and tOSU would obviously be in as 13-0 SEC and B1G Champs but all the other B1G and SEC teams would be non-champions with at least two losses.  If they got to 13-0, Clemson would obviously take one of the CFP spots, but the fourth one would belong to 12-1 P12 Champ Utah.  

#7 Oklahoma:
  • They win out (at #21 OkSU, vs #9 Baylor), and
  • Baylor beats Kansas (to improve the look of OU's B12CG win), and
  • Bama loses at Auburn, and
  • tOSU wins out, and
  • LSU wins out, and
  • Utah loses either to Colorado or Oregon.  

In that case LSU and tOSU would obviously be in as 13-0 SEC and B1G Champs but all the other B1G and SEC teams would be non-champions with at least two losses.  If they got to 13-0, Clemson would obviously take one of the CFP spots, but the fourth one would belong to 12-1 B12 Champ Oklahoma.  

#8 Minnesota:
  • They win out (vs #12 UW, vs #1 tOSU), and
  • Ohio State loses to Michigan.  (In theory Ohio State winning this game is better because it makes MN's win over tOSU that much better but that also raises the possibility that the Committee would ignore the B1GCG result and take the Buckeyes anyway.  That *MIGHT* not happen anyway but it could.  Ohio State's overall resume would still be better even after losing the B1GCG to the Gophers.), and  
  • LSU wins out, and
  • Clemson loses a game (MN's SoS would be MUCH better than Clemson's), and
  • Iowa beats Nebraska (in case the relative strength of MN's loss becomes a factor), and
  • Oklahoma loses to OkSU but beats Baylor
  • Utah loses either to Colorado or Oregon

Minnesota doesn't need ALL of those things and frankly they *MIGHT* control their own destiny such that simply winning out to finish 12-1 with a B1G Title is enough but that list is their best-case-scenario.  

#9 Baylor:
  • They win out (at Kansas, vs #7 Oklahoma), and
  • Oklahoma beats OkSU (to improve the look of Baylor's B12CG win), and
  • Utah loses either to Colorado or Oregon, and
  • Bama loses at Auburn, and
  • LSU wins out, and
  • tOSU wins out, and

In that case LSU and tOSU would obviously be in as 13-0 SEC and B1G Champs but all the other B1G and SEC teams would be non-champions with at least two losses.  If they got to 13-0, Clemson would obviously take one of the CFP spots, but the fourth one would belong to 12-1 B12 Champ Baylor.  

#12 Wisconsin:
  • They win out (@#8MN, vs #1tOSU), and
  • Vis-a-vis Ohio State I am not sure what is best.  Even if Ohio State loses to Michigan AND Wisconsin, the Buckeyes would still have a better overall resume than Wisconsin because they have more quality wins and better losses so the best thing probably would be for Ohio State to beat Michigan and then hope the committe finds room for both the Badgers and the Buckeyes.  
  • LSU wins out, and
  • Clemson loses out, and
  • Bama loses at Auburn, and
  • Utah loses either to Colorado or Oregon, and
  • Oklahoma loses to OkSU but beats Baylor, and

In that case LSU would obviously be in as 13-0 SEC Champions.  The B12 and P12 would have multiple-loss champions and the ACC would obviously be out.  Then the committee might take 11-1 Wisconsin, 12-1 Ohio State, and either the B12 or P12 Champion.  

#14 Oregon:
  • They win out (vs OrSU, vs #6 Utah), and
  • Utah beats Colorado (to improve the look of Oregon's P12CG win), and
  • Bama loses at Auburn, and
  • LSU wins out, and
  • tOSU wins out, and
  • Clemson loses out, and
  • Oklahoma loses to OkSU but beats Baylor, and

In that case LSU and tOSU would obviously be in as 13-0 SEC and B1G Champs but all other B1G and SEC teams would be non-champions with at least two losses.  The ACC would obviously be out.  That leaves the last two spots to the B12 and P12 Champions.  


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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #147 on: November 29, 2019, 10:00:55 AM »

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #148 on: November 29, 2019, 02:14:03 PM »
one loss Bamma gets the nod over 2 loss champs

and I'm fine with that
 I think 'bama gets in over several 1-loss champs as well.

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #149 on: November 29, 2019, 05:12:08 PM »
I would be shocked if an 11-1 Bama gets in over a 12-1 P5 champ.  Shocked.

11-2?  Maybe.  Bama's best win would be Auburn, and their second best win would be .... A&M?  They don't have the slate at all IMHO.

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #150 on: November 29, 2019, 07:22:25 PM »
I'm just going to put this here:
1. Ohio State 11-1
2. LSU 11-2
3. Oklahoma 11-2
4. Georgia 10-2
5. VA Tech 11-2
6. USC 10-2
7. Missouri 11-2
8. Kansas 11-1


Non-helmets don't get treated the same as helmets, period.  So idk why Minnesota or Baylor fans would be at all surprised if they're left out.  For the umpteenth time, resume is only part of it.  You have to prove you belong, and for the old, lazy fogies running things, that takes more than a single season.  Yes, it's stupid, but it's the reality of the thing.
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #151 on: November 29, 2019, 08:14:57 PM »
I'm just going to put this here:
1. Ohio State 11-1
2. LSU 11-2
3. Oklahoma 11-2
4. Georgia 10-2
5. VA Tech 11-2
6. USC 10-2
7. Missouri 11-2
8. Kansas 11-1


Non-helmets don't get treated the same as helmets, period.  So idk why Minnesota or Baylor fans would be at all surprised if they're left out.  For the umpteenth time, resume is only part of it.  You have to prove you belong, and for the old, lazy fogies running things, that takes more than a single season.  Yes, it's stupid, but it's the reality of the thing.
I don't think they're surprised at all.  Have you read/heard/seen anything to suggest that?

I can't speak for Minnesota fans, the only one I know isGopherRock and he can certainly speak for himself.


But the Baylor fans I know aren't surprised when they get passed over/left out/dismissed.  They understand the way the system works.

They're not surprised, but they're certainly annoyed/angered/outraged by it.  Because they know there's nothing they can do about it.






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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #152 on: November 29, 2019, 10:48:57 PM »
I'm just going to put this here:
1. Ohio State 11-1
2. LSU 11-2
3. Oklahoma 11-2
4. Georgia 10-2
5. VA Tech 11-2
6. USC 10-2
7. Missouri 11-2
8. Kansas 11-1


Non-helmets don't get treated the same as helmets, period.  So idk why Minnesota or Baylor fans would be at all surprised if they're left out.  For the umpteenth time, resume is only part of it.  You have to prove you belong, and for the old, lazy fogies running things, that takes more than a single season.  Yes, it's stupid, but it's the reality of the thing.
But I thought that your theory was that the lazy old fogies just ranked 'em by number of losses.  Now you're saying that they do more than that.  Now they lazily rank them by losses and then lazily adjust them according to helmetosity.  Maybe they're also lazily adjusting them to account for the "what have you done lately" factor.
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #153 on: November 30, 2019, 04:47:13 AM »
Had Baylor and/or Minnesota looked better against lame competition, they might get ranked higher.  This doesn't have to be about helmet, it can simple reflect performance.

Take the names out and look at the actual records of each team.


 

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