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medinabuckeye1

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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2019, 10:27:26 AM »
I read everyone of them before the internet

up until the late 90s
Same here.  Back in the pre-internet and early-internet days I used to keep one with the full schedule so that if I needed to look up who the teams ahead of Ohio State were playing I could check.  I haven't needed a paper magazine to do that in about 30 years so they don't serve much purpose for me.  

Similarly, I would keep them to look up teams that stood out.  Ie, I didn't really care about the predictions but at mid-season if some random unexpected team was 6-0 and ranked in the top-10 I could go check the article on them and learn about them and their schedule.  Lots of times those surprise 6-0 top-10 teams have backloaded schedules and just haven't played any good opposition yet.  Sometimes that is not the case.  Pre-internet, those magazines were they way for me to check what was going on.  

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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2019, 10:45:19 AM »
My annual go-to is Lindy’s. Buying their edition every year since 1999. 

Whereas Steele’s is the most expansive and individually driven, and other’s are glossier, the Goldilocks in me finds Lindy’s just the right amount of depth and overview without drowning in too many numbers and over analysis.

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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2019, 01:20:58 PM »
Small factual mistakes or typos?
Both, I guess, more of the former.

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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2019, 01:46:13 PM »
  Pre-internet, those magazines were they way for me to check what was going on. 
Friend use to follow off season like nobody's business.He use to have like 3 maybe 4 subscriptions - Buckey Sports Bulletin was one.Is that still s thing?
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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2019, 01:47:19 PM »
My annual go-to is Lindy’s. Buying their edition every year since 1999.

Whereas Steele’s is the most expansive and individually driven, and other’s are glossier, the Goldilocks in me finds Lindy’s just the right amount of depth and overview without drowning in too many numbers and over analysis.

Forgot about that one,maybe I'll pick it up for kicks and giggles
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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2019, 02:16:16 PM »
I enjoy this one for some reason because it's this perfect cocktail of trying to strike out on one's own and second-guessing the hype. If I stare hard enough at the stats, I can see where a person could predict that (it's a fun exercise).

And of course, the point of these things isn't actually to be right. It's because people like imagining infinite possibilities, or railing against conventional wisdom.

Looking back, I'm more impressed Frazier took the vast majority of first-team spots from Wuerffel after the season. It shows how much the sport and our understanding of it has changed.
There was a sort of exodus at the QB position among top 1994 guys, but TCU back then was completely irrelevant.  I may be subjective here, but you could see what Wuerffel did splitting time with Dean in '94, know Dean was gone, and what kind of offense Spurrier ran and come up with a healthy QB season at a top 10 program.

I don't think projecting Knake sold any more magazines, either.  Meh, I guess I should've just been glad they didn't have FR Ron Powlus for ND their 1st-team AA before throwing a pass.  Remember how Beano Cook had him winning 3 Heismans?


Challenge:  Name one person, place, or thing more irrelevant than mid-90s Beano Cook.
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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2019, 02:22:32 PM »
As from me?  Was Howard Cosell a thing back then?


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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2019, 03:00:02 PM »
was this after the reg season or after the bowl season?
I was thinking pre-bowl, but you might be right. 

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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2019, 03:12:49 PM »
There was a sort of exodus at the QB position among top 1994 guys, but TCU back then was completely irrelevant.  I may be subjective here, but you could see what Wuerffel did splitting time with Dean in '94, know Dean was gone, and what kind of offense Spurrier ran and come up with a healthy QB season at a top 10 program.

I don't think projecting Knake sold any more magazines, either.  Meh, I guess I should've just been glad they didn't have FR Ron Powlus for ND their 1st-team AA before throwing a pass.  Remember how Beano Cook had him winning 3 Heismans?


Challenge:  Name one person, place, or thing more irrelevant than mid-90s Beano Cook.
So looking back, here’s the logic I see them trying to use. It’s not good logic, but it is what it is.

Knake was 12th nationally in yards, fifth in TDs, had a 24-7 TD-to-INT ratio. They’d just made their second bowl since the mid-60s and gone from 2 to 4 to 7 wins. So I’m guessing some wise guy said this could be different (maybe there was an updraft of TCU hype? No idea)

Now we go about knocking down the other three.
Danny: To this point, he’d twice split the job, and perhaps there was worry some new hot shot would split it again
Frazier: he’d played four games the year before and had like 60 yards in the bowl game. Only one Neb QB had been AA since a pro-style guy in the mid-70s. So perhaps the option put a cap on that, especially with an possible 2,000-yard tailback.
Manning: He’d just thrown back for 1,151 yards and 11 TDs in an offense the three team’s wife as much as much as it ran. Not that his hype wasn’t wasn't great, but I could see someone’s trying I be friends oy and not putting him there.

Anyway, I don’t know know what sold more magazines. Im guessing it was such a captive market, you could be weird just to do it and be fine.

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« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2019, 07:29:52 PM »
SI was good at this too.  They had Houston near the top one year and put Arizona #1 one season.   They took some big swings. 

Iirc,  Beanos comment in context was 'if you ask me who will win the Heisman trophy in 20 years I'll take the quarterback of Notre dame.'.  Re, powlus I think he said he will win 'two Heismans, at least.'

Of course no ND player has claimed a Heisman since Tim Brown.

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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2019, 07:40:46 PM »
It is all entertaining.

“For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbors, and laugh at them in our turn?”

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« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2019, 10:39:05 PM »
kids now wonder why Notre Dame is disliked
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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2019, 07:12:55 AM »
The Dawg fans I know who went to the game in SB said the ND fans were great.

I find some of the "statistics" entertaining, meaning they are so obscure and so trivial I know they will have zero impact or relevance on the game outcome.

I wonder how much the stat guys at ESPN et al. rely on the mags for information?  Do they pore over them or have their own store of info?  How about writers doing the rankings?  Do the graduate assistants who make the preseason polls pay attention to them?  Do folks involved in this for a living read the mags seriously?

They still sell them to someone, I expect the fans.

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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2019, 07:40:05 AM »
The Dawg fans I know who went to the game in SB said the ND fans were great.

I find some of the "statistics" entertaining, meaning they are so obscure and so trivial I know they will have zero impact or relevance on the game outcome.

I wonder how much the stat guys at ESPN et al. rely on the mags for information?  Do they pore over them or have their own store of info?  How about writers doing the rankings?  Do the graduate assistants who make the preseason polls pay attention to them? Do folks involved in this for a living read the mags seriously?

They still sell them to someone, I expect the fans.
Depends how you define seriously.

The magazines are large central repositories of info, oft written up by reporters covering the team. They’re good for a rough depth chart or the offseason questions to still be answered, and some of the features are interesting (off-record quotes, the odd list. Someone did a history of every Army completion a few years back).

I don’t know anyone is saying “these preseason all conference teams and record predictions are GOLD” because the secret is, all of that is unknown. Not that they, much like anyone else, doesn’t look closely at lots of info and understand the consensus before marking some educated guesses.

 

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