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Cincydawg

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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2019, 07:46:51 AM »
My question is just how much attention do these gets from folks who do this for a living, including TV analysts and stat guys.

I know this is unanswerable as a fact.  I have this "notion" of the ESPN stat room replete with dog eared magazines of Lindy's etc., but probably not.  Maybe they look through them for tidbits to add to their computer based stat system.

Everything I have read about UGA preseason says the same thing over and over again.  Boring.
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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2019, 08:06:27 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 01, 2019, 10:39:05 PM
kids now wonder why Notre Dame is disliked
Because of Beano Cook?
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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2019, 08:08:22 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 02, 2019, 07:46:51 AM
My question is just how much attention do these gets from folks who do this for a living, including TV analysts and stat guys.
Of course they do - they're stealing off of everybody so they can weasel in on just a little credit at the end
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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2019, 02:05:47 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on July 02, 2019, 08:06:27 AM
Because of Beano Cook?
His neck danced like no other.  
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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2019, 11:07:03 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on July 02, 2019, 08:06:27 AM
Because of Beano Cook?
and the other media folks that fawned over them 
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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2019, 04:20:42 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 02, 2019, 11:07:03 PM
and the other media folks that fawned over them
We all have a wheelhouse of when we paid the most attention to the sport.  If you're trotting out 75 year old commentators (no offense to anyone here), their wheelhouse is going to be antiquated.  Beano Cook was old as dirt in the early 90s, so his wheelhouse was probably 1949 or something.  
My wheelhouse is the 90s, basically.  So when I see a team in 2047 that reminds me of another team, it'll probably be some obscure reference to the 90s.  But I wouldn't expect to be on TV, lol.


But as with my memory of Harry Carey slurring "Take me out to the Ballgame" being mine due to having missed his long career calling Cards and White Sox and then Cubs games, so too is my memory of Beano Cook's most oft-used phrase said on air as being "Notre Dame".  You could be asking him about the Texas-OU game, and he'd shoehorn ND in there somehow.  ND's got a hotshot QB recruit?  Multiple Heismans!  He couldn't help himself.


As with things of this nature, it wasn't Cook's fault, it's whoever decided to keep him on the air's fault.  Sure, people like continuity, but ugh.  Enough.  You know what?  You get to stay on air if you roll with the times, not if you're stodgy and clueless.  Every time Tim Brando insists on the VMI score and the little rhyme that goes with it, I want to shoot the TV.  Does he STILL do that?  





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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2019, 07:52:22 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 03, 2019, 04:20:42 AM
But as with my memory of Harry Carey slurring "Take me out to the Ballgame" being mine due to having missed his long career calling Cards and White Sox and then Cubs games, so too is my memory of Beano Cook's most oft-used phrase said on air as being "Notre Dame".  You could be asking him about the Texas-OU game, and he'd shoehorn ND in there somehow.  






Like Cosell on MNF it could be crunch time in the middle of a great game and "HAAWARD" as Merideth called him would start caterwauling on about ALI blah,blah,blah.I don't know how Frank & Don put up with him for as long as they did
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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2019, 08:02:24 AM »
Howard Frank and Don were classics, really a party of Americana.  I think a lot of us watched MNF just because of them, to listen to Frank try and call the game while the other two goofed around.

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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2019, 08:13:03 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 03, 2019, 04:20:42 AM
We all have a wheelhouse of when we paid the most attention to the sport.  If you're trotting out 75 year old commentators (no offense to anyone here), their wheelhouse is going to be antiquated.  Beano Cook was old as dirt in the early 90s, so his wheelhouse was probably 1949 or something. 
My wheelhouse is the 90s, basically.  So when I see a team in 2047 that reminds me of another team, it'll probably be some obscure reference to the 90s.  But I wouldn't expect to be on TV, lol.


But as with my memory of Harry Carey slurring "Take me out to the Ballgame" being mine due to having missed his long career calling Cards and White Sox and then Cubs games, so too is my memory of Beano Cook's most oft-used phrase said on air as being "Notre Dame".  You could be asking him about the Texas-OU game, and he'd shoehorn ND in there somehow.  ND's got a hotshot QB recruit?  Multiple Heismans!  He couldn't help himself.


As with things of this nature, it wasn't Cook's fault, it's whoever decided to keep him on the air's fault.  Sure, people like continuity, but ugh.  Enough.  You know what?  You get to stay on air if you roll with the times, not if you're stodgy and clueless.  Every time Tim Brando insists on the VMI score and the little rhyme that goes with it, I want to shoot the TV.  Does he STILL do that? 






It’s interesting how our perceptions form.

Cook was all of 60 in 1991. I think part of the nature of commentators is they’re on balance unmemorable or they’re complained about. It also sounds like Cook was bombastic, whether he was predicting two heismans, saying he’d root for the Russians over the Irish or doing whatever else.

(Granted, I didn’t have cable in the 1990s and didn’t watch the sport in earnest until 2000, so Terry Bowden was the one I ragged on. Looking back, probably fine).
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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2019, 08:24:39 AM »
I remember thinking Beano never said anything I viewed as interesting and his voice was grating to me.  I did not understand why they featured him at all, I guessed it was that he has history somewhere.

This was back when I paid some attention to what TV analysts had to say as if they knew stuff I didn't.
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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2019, 09:15:44 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 03, 2019, 08:24:39 AM
I remember thinking Beano never said anything I viewed as interesting and his voice was grating to me.  I did not understand why they featured him at all, I guessed it was that he has history somewhere.

This was back when I paid some attention to what TV analysts had to say as if they knew stuff I didn't.
Didn't he sort of revolutionize the role of SID or something?  Was sort of a stat head before that was a thing, then rode it for 50 years, once others most others had surpassed him in his thing.
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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2019, 09:25:47 AM »
Quote from: ELA on July 03, 2019, 09:15:44 AM
Didn't he sort of revolutionize the role of SID or something?  Was sort of a stat head before that was a thing, then rode it for 50 years, once others most others had surpassed him in his thing.
Internet says he was an aggressive pusher of Pitt when he worked there. Back when you had to beg papers/TV for space.

I think a guy like that got on TV and popped because he was weird. Shoot, we’re still talking about his predictions from the 1990s. If everyone remembers the TV guy from 20 years ago, a person who makes TV says that’s probably a sign he was worth putting on.
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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2019, 09:56:13 AM »
there is little chance beano wasn't drunk- it was a matter of 'how drunk' and made him worth checking in on.  he was like the disagreeable broken record guy at the end of the bar thinking he was saying something of importance when he was just saying the same thing over and over, and becoming something of a 'pet'... sorta like crunchimusmaximus was to the SEC board back in it's heyday.  some folks are wired to tolerate that kind of personality, and some aren't.  those who are find the personality amusing at times and endearing more than not- blind in consistency and regardless of what evidence is presented to them..... the 'drunk' thing made beano like some sort of caricature of a frat boy who never grew up- just got old.   
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Re: Preseason Magazines
« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2019, 11:05:08 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 03, 2019, 09:25:47 AM

I think a guy like that got on TV and popped because he was weird. Shoot, we’re still talking about his predictions from the 1990s. If everyone remembers the TV guy from 20 years ago, a person who makes TV says that’s probably a sign he was worth putting on.

Huh? I’m completely missing the meaning of what you’re trying to convey.

By the time I was seeing a lot of Beano Cook it was already the late 90s and he was getting a lot of air time on ESPN as a one-off college football analyst. They avoided putting Beano in group settings and right away it was apparent he was “old-school” to his own detriment - his college football world came down to only about 4 or 5 programs - Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Penn State, Michigan, and Ohio State (+ Pitt) - and of those he knew their 1970s rosters better than the current ones.

Everybody else, no matter how relevant, was too new and too much of a wild child for his liking. For example, Beano couldn’t handle anything about Spurrier, from his ambitious offenses to his openness with the media, which is strange to look back on given what a mainstay Spurrier is/was for the SEC.

And yes, I am also someone who jokes about his predictions. I remember Beano picking against the powerful Ken Dorsey QBed Canes every chance he got, from what I could tell because their opponents like Penn State and Boston College were more “traditional” and therefore deserved to win.
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