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FearlessF

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Re: Post Your Top 10
« Reply #196 on: November 22, 2018, 12:59:32 PM »
I won't be as thankful as you

will we then be forced to abandon conference championship games between divisions?

or does an upset winner such as Northwestern w/4 losses get an autobid?
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« Reply #197 on: November 22, 2018, 01:09:34 PM »
Northwestern would get the auto-bid of course.
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« Reply #198 on: November 22, 2018, 01:17:38 PM »
so, the uproar won't be the end of conference champ games?

Dern it!
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« Reply #199 on: November 22, 2018, 01:29:39 PM »
That doesn't appear to be the direction we are heading, but anything is possible I suppose.
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Re: Post Your Top 10
« Reply #200 on: November 22, 2018, 01:33:22 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 22, 2018, 01:17:38 PM
so, the uproar won't be the end of conference champ games?

Dern it!
The fans wouldn't want to see a crap team win a CCG and make it into the playoff, but the other conferences would love it.  Depends who you think is wagging the dog - fans or insider decision-makers.
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« Reply #201 on: November 22, 2018, 02:14:09 PM »
well, with 4 or 6 teams allowed there is going to be a team in there that isn't great

for example:  last season #4 Washington lost by 17 and #3 OSU lost by 31 in the first round
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« Reply #202 on: November 22, 2018, 02:35:38 PM »
We all can't wait to see Bama's backups playing in the 3rd quarter of a national championship playoff game vs Northwestern!!!
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Re: Post Your Top 10
« Reply #203 on: November 22, 2018, 03:02:10 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 22, 2018, 05:57:27 AM
How would you personally rank a team that started out "house afire" and won 8 straight over some top level teams and then had injuries and lost the next 3 to midlevel teams?  They are 8-3 now, not that impressive, but they also have 3-4 impressive wins, early in the season, and an 'excuse".  Body of work?  Or how they are now?

Consider whether the injuries are season ending versys "out for three weeks".

In a less dramatic situation perhaps, imagine a team looks great, has two key injuries, and loses two late season games to finish 11-2, but the players are supposed to be back in 3 weeks.  Take Alabama as an example, great looking team, 3 critical injuries and they lose to Auburn and UGA to finish 11-2, do they merit consideration for the playoff or not?
I tend to shy away from the time aspect. They just play so few games. Things shift so much. Trends are a little about perception. I know some people like them, but ones I like more don’t. 
I like to rank teams by resume, at least after 6-7 games. When you say “who would win on a neutral,” I’d call those ratings. 
On Bama in that case, I don’t consider them unless I’m short on contenders. There could be a year where that happens (this year), but the games you lose count. Count for Bama, count for everyone. I consider them, but not ahead of a lot of other teams. 
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« Reply #204 on: November 22, 2018, 03:35:17 PM »
Pretty tall odds that Northwestern would beat the OSU-Michigan winner, but if they do then to the Victor go the spoils.
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Re: Post Your Top 10
« Reply #205 on: November 23, 2018, 07:32:30 AM »
It would be ironic to rank a team that was 10-2 but playing really well at the end of the season after a 1-2 start at say 10th and another team that was 11-1 but had sketchy wins and one bad loss say 7th, if most folks figured the first team would beat the second team handily.

Ironic may not be the best word.  Why do we rank teams?  Obviously one reason is to make the top bowl/playoff pairings, but why else?  Why doesn't anyone care about the AP poll?  Does it not relate to who would beat who in a NF?

I realize match ups can play a role in this calculus.  This is why a "Power Poll" can differ from a "regular poll" if the former is based more on who would beat who.

But polls don't really provide guidelines you just vote however you want.  At least the committee has a kind of guideline although it's not clear what it means.
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« Reply #206 on: November 23, 2018, 09:37:15 AM »
the polls were more a sense of pride for the fans and a sense of accomplishment for the players and coaches

simply an acknowledgement of a good team, the higher the ranking the better the team in relation to their peers

and of course, the controversy and arguments by fans made the polls popular

only recently have the polls or some ranking been used to determine matchups at the end of the season
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Re: Post Your Top 10
« Reply #207 on: November 23, 2018, 08:53:02 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 22, 2018, 11:32:43 AM
unfortunately this leads MOST teams to schedule lightly in September
FIFY
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Re: Post Your Top 10
« Reply #208 on: November 25, 2018, 08:06:57 AM »
SEC teams, aside from rivalry games, tend to schedule any P5 OOC opponents early in the season, if not Game One.

Part of that is because teams often play only in conference games after Week 4 or so.
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Re: Post Your Top 10
« Reply #209 on: November 25, 2018, 09:07:45 AM »
1. Clemson
2. Alabama
3. Notre Dame
4. Georgia
5. Ohio State
6. Oklahoma
7. West Virginia
8. Michigan
9. UCF
10. Washington
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