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Honestbuckeye

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #406 on: December 03, 2017, 08:38:46 PM »
Quote from: TresselownsUM on December 03, 2017, 07:06:03 PM
If the Big Ten is serious about the CFP, the path is clear...

1.) Move back to 8 conference games
2.) No more road OOC games
3.) Bring back FCS opponents.

For all the talk, the committee clearly still looks at just how many losses you have.  Alabama doesn't have anything resembling a good win.  Hell, MSU has better wins than
does.

Bingo, although it unfortunately hurts the fans. But the committee needs to quit touting scheduling as its BS.

I have no issue with OSU being out, they were up and down, got housed by an average Iowa team, they were a very good team, but not great team.

But, if you are going to let Bama in this year how did 2015 Ohio state get left out with very similar details. That team was hands down better than this Alabama team, it lost 1 game in a rain storm on a last second field goal.

Last years penn st team should have gotten in over Washington as well.
Preach it.  No team should benefit from not playing.  If the committee thought Auburn was unequivocally better than Bama and Georgia after stomping them both, and thought Wisconsin was better than Bama, how do you make Wisconisn and Auburn take the risk of that 13th game, and then reward the team that didn't have to?
It would be different if Bama was already in the top 4 like OSU was last year and got into the top 4 with a big win, but they lost their ass in the last game, were out of the top 4, and got rewarded for it.   It makes no sense..
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #407 on: December 03, 2017, 08:59:18 PM »
a committee of smart folks obviously isn't needed

anyone of us could total up the numbers in the loss column at the end of the year 

and then toss out the Badgers for not being a helmet
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #408 on: December 03, 2017, 09:51:21 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 03, 2017, 08:38:46 PM
Preach it.  No team should benefit from not playing.  If the committee thought Auburn was unequivocally better than Bama and Georgia after stomping them both, and thought Wisconsin was better than Bama, how do you make Wisconisn and Auburn take the risk of that 13th game, and then reward the team that didn't have to?
It would be different if Bama was already in the top 4 like OSU was last year and got into the top 4 with a big win, but they lost their ass in the last game, were out of the top 4, and got rewarded for it.   It makes no sense..
CCG's are high risk/high reward games.  I can't disagree with anything you said but if the CCG's are going to be played then the results have to be taken into account. And yeah, sometimes just sitting at home and watching other teams play themselves out is a benefit. 
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« Reply #409 on: December 03, 2017, 09:59:36 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 03, 2017, 08:59:18 PM
a committee of smart folks obviously isn't needed

anyone of us could total up the numbers in the loss column at the end of the year

and then toss out the Badgers for not being a helmet
Any group of fancy-pants people is going to yield head-scratchers.  The poll voters were intellectually lazy and so, too, is the committee.  Shrug.
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #410 on: December 03, 2017, 10:01:59 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 03, 2017, 04:31:34 PM
Nick Saban just said Alabama had to play Mercer because it couldn't find a game with anyone else.

Coach, with all due respect:  You are full of crap!!!

On. The. Next. To. Last. Weekend. Of. The. Season.

There is a reason Bama continues to schedule FCS schools on the weekend in question. I didn't research it this year because I'm sure the results would have been similar. But, FWIW, in 2016 on the weekend in question, 100 of the other 127 FBS schools were playing conference games and were unavailable even if they were willing to play Bama. They weren't! Thirteen of the remaining 27 were SEC teams and were unavailable even if they had been willing to play an OOC game against Bama. They weren't! The 14 remaining FBS schools all have ADs with more than half a brain who would consider Tuscaloosa, Alabama as the last place on Earth where they would have their football team playing on the next to last weekend of the football season. Might need two wins to become Bowl eligible!
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« Reply #411 on: December 03, 2017, 10:08:59 PM »
Quote from: ALA2262 on December 03, 2017, 10:01:59 PM
On. The. Next. To. Last. Weekend. Of. The. Season.

There is a reason Bama continues to schedule FCS schools on the weekend in question. I didn't research it this year because I'm sure the results would have been similar. But, FWIW, in 2016 on the weekend in question, 100 of the other 127 FBS schools were playing conference games and were unavailable even if they were willing to play Bama. They weren't! Thirteen of the remaining 27 were SEC teams and were unavailable even if they had been willing to play an OOC game against Bama. They weren't! The 14 remaining FBS schools all have ADs with more than half a brain who would consider Tuscaloosa, Alabama as the last place on Earth where they would have their football team playing on the next to last weekend of the football season. Might need two wins to become Bowl eligible!
Yeah, but the response to that is play your 4 OOC games at the beginning of the season and you will have more teams available to play.
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #412 on: December 03, 2017, 10:13:05 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2017, 04:23:37 PM
It's that 9th conference game thing as opposed to, I dunno, maybe Mercer?
Bama (not just saban) doesn’t lose that bad to bad teams. We haven’t lost by 30+ to an unranked team since 1916 or something. Haven’t lost to Ann unranked team at all since 2007. 
If osu is just close in that game they’re in. Or if Bama loses to anyone like that they’re out. 
And all you guys acting like saban/Bama are scared to play good teams are laughable. Need to step back and calm down. FSU shit the bed this season but there is no way in hell Bama/saban knew that would happen. The neutral site games, while tiresome as a fan, are financially huge for Bama. That is why they do it. Not from fear lol. Most of you guys are brilliant but sometimes you guys lose your minds on this stuff. 
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #413 on: December 03, 2017, 10:17:11 PM »
Quote from: Kris61 on December 03, 2017, 10:08:59 PM
Yeah, but the response to that is play your 4 OOC games at the beginning of the season and you will have more teams available to play.
Sec sets schedule and leaves 2 open dates in mid and late season. It’s either mid-late oct (heart of conf games) or 2nd to last weekend. 
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #414 on: December 03, 2017, 10:22:44 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on December 03, 2017, 10:17:11 PM
Sec sets schedule and leaves 2 open dates in mid and late season. It’s either mid-late oct (heart of conf games) or 2nd to last weekend.
Yeah, I get it but the perception is that it looks like the SEC does that when the other P5 conferences are into conference play so they can:
1. Play terrible OOC teams
2. Then say no one else was available.
And I'm with you, I don't think Bama/Saban is scared to play anyone but they are strategic about it too.  It's not an "anytime, anyplace" mentality.
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #415 on: December 03, 2017, 10:29:36 PM »
Quote from: Kris61 on December 03, 2017, 10:22:44 PM
Yeah, I get it but the perception is that it looks like the SEC does that when the other P5 conferences are into conference play so they can:
1. Play terrible OOC teams
2. Then say no one else was available.
And I'm with you, I don't think Bama/Saban is scared to play anyone but they are strategic about it too.  It's not an "anytime, anyplace" mentality.
But that’s not Bama fault sec sets it like that. 
And saban has been outspoken proponent of 9 conf games. So...
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #416 on: December 03, 2017, 10:56:04 PM »
C'mon Tide fans, get real, Bama should've agreed to play Georgia or Florida or Auburn again as a non-conference game.  Obviously!!!
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #417 on: December 03, 2017, 11:04:09 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on December 03, 2017, 10:17:11 PM
Sec sets schedule and leaves 2 open dates in mid and late season. It’s either mid-late oct (heart of conf games) or 2nd to last weekend.
Don't the member institutions of the SEC run the SEC?  One would think that if the schools wanted to play their 4 (four) OOC games at the start of the season, the SEC would build its schedule to accommodate that.
It would seem that the majority of SEC schools favor playing OOC cupcakes in October and November, rather than it being the case that the conference HQ sets the schedule and the member schools are helpless to do anything about it.
By itself, it's not a stupid scheduling philosophy, but in the context of how the other P5 conferences schedule OOC games, it sort of drives SEC schools to schedule teams like Mercer.  Again, I imagine that if a majority of SEC schools wanted to do it the way that the other P5 conferences do it, with the result that more, better OOC opponents would be available, it would be done.
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #418 on: December 04, 2017, 12:29:36 AM »
The SEC isn’t going to change until it’s incentivized to do so.  Bama getting in over Osu is another reason to not change.  

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #419 on: December 04, 2017, 05:06:24 AM »
I don't have a problem with Bama or any one else sliding in to the 4th spot - Iowa.It was dicey losing at home to the Sooners by 15,there was little wiggle room and tOSU wiggled.Saban spins with the best of them however.We recognize it - UFM makes a practice of it
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