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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #294 on: December 01, 2017, 12:55:40 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 11:23:21 AM
QB is so important, by far most important position on the entire team. Francois was really good, but he wouldn't have made them a top 10 team. He was a good notch below JT Barrett or Trace McSorley. JT is like an A college QB, McSorley an A-. Francois a really good QB, but not a truly great one. He's not a transcendent college QB, program elevator like a Baker Mayfield or Tebow- those guys are like A++. Francois is just not anywhere close to that. I'd say he's a really good B+ college QB.
FSU was a lot like Michigan to start the season- way overrated. Michigan and FSU both should've been rated 18-25 range pre-season based on what they lost the year before.
this was my point. not that fsu would be top 10 with francois. and not that they should be viewed as a great team when bama beat them.
IF you are going to ask what type of team was fsu with francios, the answer isn't #3 team, it's lsu/msu type team (8-9 wins and maybe ranked). the answer without francois is obviously 5-6 also ran. but that's also not the team bama played, so...
should that be considered? imo yes. but it's not a drastic change like some bama fans clamor about. they weren't a top 5 team even fully healthy. but fully healthy they wouldn't be this bad either. basically, its a good win, but not great and certainly not ground breaking. shouldn't be determining factor, imo.
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #295 on: December 01, 2017, 01:05:45 PM »
IF you are going to ask what type of team was fsu with francios, the answer isn't #3 team, it's lsu/msu type team (8-9 wins and maybe ranked). the answer without francois is obviously 5-6 also ran. but that's also not the team bama played, so...
should that be considered?

in my opinion, absolutely. I've said it before, even without Francios, FSU has the talent to beat anyone in the nation on a given night. Utah St, BYU, FAU don't if your comparing Wisconsin. The crap that Washington usually schedules doesn't have that ability. TCU's schedule of Jacksonville st, Arkansas, SMU is crap. USC and Miami both played ND, Clemson played Auburn, OU played Ohio State, Georgia played ND and Ga Tech.

You can't control you conference schedule, but you can control your OOC schedule. Every team has the ability to schedule, if you can't get a top 15 program, you can at least get 2 if not 3 power 5 schools, or 2 power 5 and legitimate school from a non power 5 like Houston, Navy, ND, Memphis, Cincinnati (not this year), UCF, etc

I don't write off the win vs FSU, I would consider it a quality win.
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #296 on: December 01, 2017, 01:10:22 PM »
Quote from: TresselownsUM on December 01, 2017, 12:51:23 PM
Just look backward. And not too far backward either.

Try again?

I went back to 2012 and can't find Wisconsin playing a road game at a MAC school, so I guess you'll have to enlighten me on this one
If you were to go back just one more year you'd see that UW played a return game against NIU. NIU chose to move it to Soldier Field to accommodate where most of its fans are located.

They also played a return game at Bowling Green, which chose to move it to Cleveland. I think that was in 2006.

They have played away against Hawaii, Fresno, UNLV, BYU and P5 schools over the past 10 seasons, along with "neutrals" in recent years against the "big boys" from the SEC.

Not sure what you'd like them to do, aside from keep trying to convince the helmets to come to Madison, as they are continuously.

Central Michigan is on the schedule as an away game in the future, by the way. Not sure when as this has not been published yet.
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #297 on: December 01, 2017, 01:14:45 PM »
Quote from: TresselownsUM on December 01, 2017, 12:53:36 PM

any time you have to say a "good mac team" that's not saying much
OK, then why the F do you keep pushing that UW should play them home and away?

Get your story straight.

2019 OSU... Florida Atlantic, Cincy and Miami (not FL), all in Columbus. Shiver me timbers!! Better hope PSU and M are highly ranked that year...

Find something else to do today man. Really. I'll give to a recipe to make or something.
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« Reply #298 on: December 01, 2017, 01:29:59 PM »
WAY too many teams in this entire mess. They should cut it down to 64 teams in 4 major conferences. Winner of each conference goes to the playoff. P5 teams should only schedule P5 teams, no "Group of 5" or FCS. Group of 5 should go start their own playoff, because they're never getting into the one that is there now. Never.

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« Reply #299 on: December 01, 2017, 01:32:46 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 01:29:59 PM
WAY too many teams in this entire mess. They should cut it down to 64 teams in 4 major conferences. Winner of each conference goes to the playoff. P5 teams should only schedule P5 teams, no "Group of 5" or FCS. Group of 5 should go start their own playoff, because they're never getting into the one that is there now. Never.


Sounds reasonable to me, except that P5 schools with G5 schools in-state like to throw bones around.

I'd rather go 10 conference games with 2 OOC games. One P5 and one G5. No FCS under any circumstances.
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #300 on: December 01, 2017, 01:35:49 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2017, 01:32:46 PM
Sounds reasonable to me, except that P5 schools with G5 schools in-state like to throw bones around.

I'd rather go 10 conference games with 2 OOC games. One P5 and one G5. No FCS under any circumstances.
I love that idea as well. I'm not crazy about G5 and I absolutely loathe playing FCS teams. I hate that some conferences only play 8 conference games. What's the point of a conference if you don't play each other? Looking at you SEC. Moving to 10 conference games and 2 OOC's games with 1 P5 OOC and 1 "throw a bone and fat check to the in-state" G5 sounds more than reasonable.
They need to get this done. Asap.
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #301 on: December 01, 2017, 01:41:34 PM »
RTF:
I'm curious, what do you think *SHOULD* happen if Oklahoma and Ohio State win?  

I'm assuming, in that case, that the first three spots will be:
  • ACC Champion (Clemson or Miami)
  • SEC Champion (Georgia or Auburn)
  • B12 Champion (Oklahoma)
I am further assuming that the 2-loss non-Champions and the P12 Champion will be a non-factor so that the final spot will come down to:
  • 11-1 non-Champion Alabama
  • 11-2 B1G Champion Ohio State

The answer for me:
I want my team to go, of course, but to be honest I'm on the fence about what *SHOULD* happen in this case.  If Bama's schedule was a tad weaker I'd have no problem arguing that Ohio State should go due to a Championship but Bama's schedule isn't horrible.  

If Ohio State's schedule was weaker I'd have no problem arguing that Bama should go.  I thought the committee got it right last year but the difference (at least to me) was that Washington's and PSU's schedules were REALLY bad.  

I see this as a genuinely close call.  Some minor things that might matter:
  • If Auburn wins it might help Bama (I realize that probably makes you choke) because Bama's loss would be to a CFP Participant.  
  • Oklahoma winning might help Ohio State for the same reason.  
  • The margin of Ohio State's assumed win over Wisconsin.  Again, I'm only assuming a win because otherwise there is no discussion to have but maybe if Ohio State wins on a 2pt conversion in the third OT the Tide go but if Ohio State wins by 14+ the Buckeyes go.  
According to SBNATION, Bama's SoS is currently better than Ohio State's but it is close (#31 vs #35) so it seems safe to assume that once Ohio State adds Wisconsin to their list of opponents the Buckeye's SoS will be better.  Additionally, the Buckeyes will have more high-end opponents and high-end wins as they will have:
  • #3 OU, loss
  • #4 UW, win (if relevant)
  • #9 PSU, win
  • #16 MSU, win
This is Bama's weakness:
  • #2 Auburn, loss
  • #17 LSU, win
  • #23 MissSt, win
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #302 on: December 01, 2017, 02:52:45 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2017, 01:32:46 PM
Sounds reasonable to me, except that P5 schools with G5 schools in-state like to throw bones around.

I'd rather go 10 conference games with 2 OOC games. One P5 and one G5. No FCS under any circumstances.
9 conf games. 4 divisions of 4 teams. play all 3 in div (3 games), have 1 lock from each other div (3 games), and 1 rotate from other div (3 games).
3 ooc games (1 each vs other confs)
preserves rivalries.
if you do rotation right, allows games vs all conf schools at least 1 every 4 years.
and provides enough cross over between conferences to judge them against each other. (only needed if wildcards are involved in cfp, which more than likely will be)
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #303 on: December 01, 2017, 03:02:49 PM »
66 teams. 6 conferences. 11 teams each. 10 conference games. No CCG's. No playoffs.


I know. I echo in here.
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« Reply #304 on: December 01, 2017, 03:58:56 PM »
OK, then why the F do you keep pushing that UW should play them home and away?

never said you should, was just pointing out I think it's ridiculous to say you're too good to do that for less than 2-for-1 when schools bigger or equal than you have done it for less.
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« Reply #305 on: December 01, 2017, 04:04:02 PM »
2019 OSU... Florida Atlantic, Cincy and Miami (not FL), all in Columbus. Shiver me timbers!! Better hope PSU and M are highly ranked that year...

ive already said, I'm not sure if it was this thread or not, that our 2019 is complete crap. I can at least admit that. it's a horrific scheduling job done by our AD for that year.

but sure was convenient of you to gloss over every other OOC we have over the next decade lol, including next year when we play TCU in Texas. I'd love to see Wiscy play Texas, ND and Boston college OOC like we are, all in the same season FYI. But I guess Texas, ND and BC probably don't want to schedule that "guaranteed loss" against you guys.
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« Reply #306 on: December 01, 2017, 04:20:33 PM »
Quote from: TresselownsUM on December 01, 2017, 03:58:56 PM
OK, then why the F do you keep pushing that UW should play them home and away?

never said you should, was just pointing out I think it's ridiculous to say you're too good to do that for less than 2-for-1 when schools bigger or equal than you have done it for less.
Bigger than UW (me)? Which schools have given MAC schools a 1-1? I'd like to know.

And why should any P5 school give a MAC school a 1-1 anyway? Nobody does that unless they are desperate. UW is far from that. 2-1 is a minimum. Anything less is not happening.

Finally, if you're going to call out UW's 2019 OOC schedule (Remember? Yipee??), you'd better be prepared to have OSU's called out. UW's is better.

As for the past few seasons of non-conference, and looking forward, were LSU (twice) and Bama not good enough? The years before that they had ASU and OrSU. Not good enough. How about having both Syracuse and Notre Dame in 2020 and 2021? Not good enough? Appy State in 2020? Army in 2021? I know. Not good enough.
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #307 on: December 01, 2017, 04:31:22 PM »
Quote from: TresselownsUM on December 01, 2017, 04:04:02 PM
But I guess Texas, ND and BC probably don't want to schedule that "guaranteed loss" against you guys.
I keep giving you opportunities to stop. But you just won't...

Texas had its chance. They turned it down in a very public way when ESPN tried to put the series together. Texas said it would play Wisconsin, but only in Austin. End of conversation.

I'd like to see Wisconsin kick Texas' ass too, trust me.

BC = Good MAC team.
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